Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Sep 2012 22:30 UTC
Intel You'd think this sort of stuff belonged to the past - but no. Apparently, Microsoft is afraid of Android on its Windows 8 tablets, because Intel has just announced that it will provide no support for Linux on its clover Trail processors. Supposedly, this chip is "designed for Windows 8". What?
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RE[4]: Comment by redshift
by Laurence on Sun 16th Sep 2012 15:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by redshift"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

This is the classic FOSSies move called "moving the goalposts" and is frankly bull.

Android is a proprietary OS owned by Google, it has as much to do with FOSS as OSX, and servers? Not gonna be running Atom chips, especially not one designed for tablets and netbooks.

So just to be clear we are not talking about your router, cell phone, or the cluster at CERN, okay? Geez what is it with you guys acting like religious whackos and refusing to stay on topic? And if you would like a link to share to back me up? All you had to do is ask..

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qp...

If you will kindly look at the actual figures you'll see WinVista, the most HATED MS OS since WinME, has FIVE times the share of Linux. In fact up until last quarter JavaME actually had you beat by .04%.

So I'm sorry but why should Intel care about an OS that has 1.05% share in the consumer market, the market this chip is aimed at? Answer they shouldn't, because obviously not enough people buy your product to make it worth caring about.

But don't blame me, I'm just stating facts. if you don't like it quit letting the devs get away with murder and demand a better product. that's how the free market works you know, if you offer a good product you do good, a bad product does bad. Even MS isn't immune to that, see Vista.

If only it was that easy to compile desktop figures, but sadly it's not. Windows figures are artificially inflated because it's nearly impossible to buy a laptop or pre-build PC without having Windows and nobody has any idea the extent of Linux installations out there.

The most we can do is form estimates based on user agent strings, Linux downloads and Windows sales, but even all that is error prone:
* user agent strings can be and often are faked
* user agent strings are only representative of the visitor base on that particular site - thus is biased towards the type of clientèle that site attracts (ie OSNews.com will have more Linux users than MSN.com)
* user agent strings don't take into account whether it's a personal computer (which can run anything the user wants) or a work computer (which often tends to be Windows PCs due to MS Office and Exchange compatibility)
* Not all Linux downloads are via distro.com or their mirrors (bit torrent et al are often encouraged)
* One Linux ISO could be used to set up an infinite number of PCs
* and I'd already touched on the Windows sales issues earlier.

So in short, arguing any kind of market figures as "fact" is just proving how little you really know about this subject.

Furthermore, I'd be more inclined to go with Thom's verdict: MS have already blocked Linux on many future ARM devices (secure boot UEFI), so this is a back-handed way of pushing Linux out of the portable x86 space as well as Redmond know full well that a public maneuver -such as the mandatory secure boot UEFI- would see Microsoft in trouble with the EU quicker than a whore drops her knickers.

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RE[5]: Comment by redshift
by bassbeast on Sun 16th Sep 2012 20:23 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by redshift"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Really? Better tell Dell, System76, and a dozen other Linux OEMs they don't exist then.

And if you are talking retail? As an actual retailer who USED to sell Linux desktops I'll be happy to tell you why that is, because Linux devs destroy any chance by constantly fiddling with the internals. You see with web sales all sales are final, NO after sale support. this is the exact opposite of retail where if you don't offer at least basic support your sales dry up and blow away, and I can tell you that Linux drivers breaking every update made Linux cost me MORE than Windows by a long shot. At $35 an hour frankly it only takes ONE forum hunt because pulse puked on sound or the WiFi driver was totaled for it to make the $80 cost of Win 7 Home the better deal. This is only gonna get worse with Win 8 as its just $40 for Pro.

But hey, don't take my word for it, please look at this list of over 100 major show stopping bugs with links. If you'd like I'll be happy to post the original page from 3 years ago to let you compare and see how many of them still haven't been fixed after 3 years. Linux works on servers because admins get paid a high 5 figures to do nothing but fix the stuff the devs break, this is the complete opposite of the home market. Even one of the RH devs says the Linux desktop is suckage and the entire system is unsustainable, link provided below.

http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.c...

https://plus.google.com/109922199462633401279/posts/HgdeFDfRzNe

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RE[6]: Comment by redshift
by Laurence on Sun 16th Sep 2012 21:04 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by redshift"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Really? Better tell Dell, System76, and a dozen other Linux OEMs they don't exist then.

I didn't say they don't exist. I said they were rare.


And if you are talking retail?

Of course we're talking retail. Did you actually read my post?


As an actual retailer who USED to sell Linux desktops I'll be happy to tell you why that is, because Linux devs destroy any chance by constantly fiddling with the internals. You see with web sales all sales are final, NO after sale support. this is the exact opposite of retail where if you don't offer at least basic support your sales dry up and blow away, and I can tell you that Linux drivers breaking every update made Linux cost me MORE than Windows by a long shot. At $35 an hour frankly it only takes ONE forum hunt because pulse puked on sound or the WiFi driver was totaled for it to make the $80 cost of Win 7 Home the better deal. This is only gonna get worse with Win 8 as its just $40 for Pro.

But hey, don't take my word for it, please look at this list of over 100 major show stopping bugs with links. If you'd like I'll be happy to post the original page from 3 years ago to let you compare and see how many of them still haven't been fixed after 3 years. Linux works on servers because admins get paid a high 5 figures to do nothing but fix the stuff the devs break, this is the complete opposite of the home market. Even one of the RH devs says the Linux desktop is suckage and the entire system is unsustainable, link provided below.

http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.c...

https://plus.google.com/109922199462633401279/posts/HgdeFDfRzNe

I'm not really sure why you're arguing this with me because I was never making a claim that Linux was ready for the desktop. Just about market share figures.

In fact did you actually read my post? Because you're doing this tired old habit that many on here exhibit, where they feel compelled to educate your opponent without even thinking about the post your replying to nor the points it raised.

If you read my post again, you'll see that I deliberately avoided any personal commentary on the state of desktop Linux. It's the very type of argument I actively try and avoid these days because everyone feels so passionately that the other person is wrong and needs to be educated otherwise. Thus, quite frankly, a futile debate that almost always ends with stupid comparisons and trolling.

You hate FOSS / Linux, I get that. But please don't take your personal prejudices out on me.

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