Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Sep 2012 20:00 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
Mozilla & Gecko clones "Over the past year and a half I've been spending more and more of my time working with Mozilla's latest project, Firefox OS. During that time I've fallen in love with the project and what it stands for, in ways that I've never experienced with a technology platform before." I'm not convinced just yet. I hope it succeeds, but I just doubt it actually will.
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Nelson
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2005-11-29

You do this really naive thing where you assume you're the moral arbiter of programming and I'm supposed to care about your opinion.

Also, my apps feel more native, perform better, and I achive comparable productivity with just slapping together an alien feeling HTML5 website and calling it a day by stuffing it into an app.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Nelson,

"You do this really naive thing where you assume you're the moral arbiter of programming and I'm supposed to care about your opinion."

You don't have to care about my opinion, but can you read your own post in context and tell me it's not pure arrogance?

http://www.osnews.com/thread?535086

You allude to principals, however you've failed to lay them out in the course of this discussion. We've highlighted a shortcoming shared by many native platforms, but instead of acknowledging the truth in that, you resorted to Ad Hominem attacks against all web developers. Regardless of what you think of my opinion, you should at least redact that post since it can't possibly be true; some of the best developers in existence will use HTML/JS despite its shortcomings BECAUSE they want to reach the largest audience.


"Also, my apps feel more native, perform better, and I achive comparable productivity with just slapping together an alien feeling HTML5 website and calling it a day by stuffing it into an app."

Well Nelson, here you are using an HTML news & discussion board, what happened to your principals? You're obviously not a hypocrite, so where's the link to the native version of osnews since I'd like to give it a try!

My point being that the web does have it's uses, and even if some of us prefer native apps (including myself btw), we have to admit that they fail to reach as wide an audience as exists on the web.

Instead of denying the benefits of portability, we'd be better off making native frameworks MORE portable so that they could run anywhere without regards to OS/platform. Go ahead and disagree with my opinion, but for gods sake drop the more-principled-than-thou talk.

Edited 2012-09-16 19:46 UTC

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Nelson,

You don't have to care about my opinion, but can you read your own post in context and tell me it's not pure arrogance?

http://www.osnews.com/thread?535086

You allude to principals, however you've failed to lay them out in the course of this discussion. We've highlighted a shortcoming shared by many native platforms, but instead of acknowledging the truth in that, you resorted to Ad Hominem attacks against all web developers. Regardless of what you think of my opinion, you should at least redact that post since it can't possibly be true; some of the best developers in existence will use HTML/JS despite its shortcomings BECAUSE they want to reach the largest audience.


My principals are that user experience should never suffer because of a need to reach a wide audience. However, as I've said in earlier comments, this is exclusively talking about when used for APP DEVELOPMENT. I'm fine with using HTML and JS and the WWW as a least common denominator website, just don't stuff it in an app package and pretend its an app.

A good example is Facebook. They have apps for the major platforms, and a least common denominator website for everyone else.

I've stated this all before, don't confuse your unwillingness or inability to read with me not having stated my position before.


Well Nelson, here you are using an HTML news & discussion board, what happened to your principals? You're obviously not a hypocrite, so where's the link to the native version of osnews since I'd like to give it a try!

My point being that the web does have it's uses, and even if some of us prefer native apps (including myself btw), we have to admit that they fail to reach as wide an audience as exists on the web.


Again, you mischaracterize my position because you're too busy doing grandstanding to read for comprehension. I think the web is a good idea, on the web. Where I am vehemently against such an atrocity is when it is packaged and advertised as an app. It looks like a duck, and quacks like a dog.


Instead of denying the benefits of portability, we'd be better off making native frameworks MORE portable so that they could run anywhere without regards to OS/platform. Go ahead and disagree with my opinion, but for gods sake drop the more-principled-than-thou talk.


You are really the most annoying type of person to talk to. A crucial prerequisite for being a smart ass, is to actually know what you're speaking about.

In fact, I've already spoken well of portability, and in fact I employ various measures to ensure a high degree of code sharing every day. Across multiple platforms. Without compromising the user experience or performance.

Not with trying to arm wrestle HTML into something it was never meant to do, not with inducing suicidal thoughts by maintaining large gobs of JavaScript, but by writing portable back end C# with a native front end for each of the platforms I support.

My principled jab is the people who, when strictly talking about app development, would throw away user experience for the sake of having a write once run anywhere scenario.

I don't care if its you, someone else on this board, or really anyone else, it is beneath me as a programmer to pretend to even respect people who cut corners in such an egregious matter.

We in the app development tech circles spit on people who pervert programming like this.

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