Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 16th Sep 2012 16:53 UTC
Google There's a bit of a story going on between Google, Acer, and Alibaba, a Chinese mobile operating system vendor. Acer wanted to ship a device with Alibaba's operating system, but Google asked them not to, and Acer complied. The reason is that Acer is a member of the Open Handset Alliance, which prohibits the promotion of non-standard Android implementations - exactly what Alibaba is shipping. On top of that, Alibaba's application store hosts pirated Android applications, including ones from Google.
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RE: Wait a minute
by forte555 on Sun 16th Sep 2012 20:52 UTC in reply to "Wait a minute"
forte555
Member since:
2009-06-16

Except that it is ok to fork android.. But if you do you can not be a member of OHA, did you even read the article?

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RE[2]: Wait a minute
by Elv13 on Sun 16th Sep 2012 20:57 in reply to "RE: Wait a minute"
Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

Google is part of the Java steering committee. To join it (and OpenJDK), IBM had to drop Symphony for the same reason.

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RE[3]: Wait a minute
by Vanders on Sun 16th Sep 2012 21:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait a minute"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

So you'll have a point when Sunacle care enough to ask Google to drop Dalvik or leave the steering committee.

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RE[3]: Wait a minute
by cdude on Mon 17th Sep 2012 11:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait a minute"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Dude, IBM never dropped Symphony. They are even merging Symphony back into Apache OO.org giving up there own OO.org fork after a deal with Oracle to move OO.org to the APL.

Edited 2012-09-17 11:06 UTC

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RE[2]: Wait a minute
by akrosdbay on Sun 16th Sep 2012 21:10 in reply to "RE: Wait a minute"
akrosdbay Member since:
2008-06-09

Except that it is ok to fork android.. But if you do you can not be a member of OHA, did you even read the article?


Acer didn't fork Android. They wanted to release a phone based on another vendor's OS. Like they release Windows Phones and Android phones. Did you read the article?

Alibaba is not a member of OHA. So telling Acer they will revoke any Android ecosystem privileges when they release a phone that is not branded as Android is dubious. Especially since Acer makes 100% compliant Android phones as well that would ship along side the one running Aliyun OS.

Google is using their Android OHA membership as a tool to add a barrier to entry to a competitor's OS based on an Open Source Project.

Edited 2012-09-16 21:16 UTC

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RE[3]: Wait a minute
by chithanh on Sun 16th Sep 2012 22:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait a minute"
chithanh Member since:
2006-06-18

Google is using their Android OHA membership as a tool to add a barrier to entry to a competitor's OS based on an Open Source Project.

Google is totally cool with competitors offering Windows Phone, iOS, Tizen, Firefox OS, MeeGo, WebOS, BB10 or whatever open source or proprietary operating systems alongside Android.

But if you want to offer an incompatible competing OS based on Android code, they will not let you be part of the club that has early access to said code.

While I would have preferred that Google competes on merit and educating consumers about such practices, their actions are totally understandable.

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RE[3]: Wait a minute
by gsyoungblood on Mon 17th Sep 2012 01:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Wait a minute"
gsyoungblood Member since:
2007-01-09

Acer joined OHA and agreed to abide by the terms. As I read the news around this, it's quite simple. Acer was going to release a phone that ran the other OS that included a "market" hosting Google apps. Never mind that allegation that the market is hosted pirated apps, let's pretend Acer has a license to them because of being a member in the OHA.

And there's the rub, the license Acer has to the app is from membership in the OHA which has compatibility guidelines which this other OS does not meet. Therefore there's no license for the Google Apps.

It is perfectly reasonable for Google to say nuh-uh for putting their apps on this other OS. If this other OS is partially compatible and the apps have problems then Google's damaged by the appearance of faulty apps. That's why there are compatibility guidelines in the first place.

This time, I think Google is being reasonable. Lately it's been rare.

<off topic rant>
I'm still sore about the bait-and-switch Google Galaxy Nexus phone. It was released first and premiered on Verizon, you'd think they'd back it. Instead the drop the CDMAs like a hot potato and now I've got a Verizon phone with sluggish Verizon releases and minimal (if any) official Google releases. The other Galaxy Nexus' devices have Jelly Bean from an official released download on Google's site. The only Jelly Bean for the Verizon Nexus is a leaked version. I bought the Galaxy Nexus BECAUSE it was a Google Nexus "official" device. Silly me to expect it to be treated like previous Nexus devices.
</off topic rant>

I'm considering the new iPhone now. I'm also thinking about jumping carriers, but both are irrelevant to the topic at hand. As generally annoyed as I am with Google, in this particular case with Acer, Google so far appears to be in the right.

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