Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 16th Sep 2012 16:53 UTC
Google There's a bit of a story going on between Google, Acer, and Alibaba, a Chinese mobile operating system vendor. Acer wanted to ship a device with Alibaba's operating system, but Google asked them not to, and Acer complied. The reason is that Acer is a member of the Open Handset Alliance, which prohibits the promotion of non-standard Android implementations - exactly what Alibaba is shipping. On top of that, Alibaba's application store hosts pirated Android applications, including ones from Google.
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RE[6]: Interesting
by Windows Sucks on Sun 16th Sep 2012 23:11 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Interesting"
Windows Sucks
Member since:
2005-11-10

If we want to get technical we could go to Microsoft saying that Windows could only run on MS Dos and the lawsuits related to that.

We could also say that Google could kick Acer out of OHA and Acer could sue and it could be in court.

Lawsuits are the end result.

But its funny: "It is ironic that a company that talks freely about openness is espousing a closed ecosystem. Aliyun OS is not part of the Android ecosystem, so of course Aliyun OS is not, and does not have to be, compatible with Android. This is like saying that because they own the Googleplex in Mountain View, therefore anyone who builds in Mountain View is part of the Googleplex.

Will someone please ask Google to define Android?"

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RE[7]: Interesting
by saso on Sun 16th Sep 2012 23:29 in reply to "RE[6]: Interesting"
saso Member since:
2007-04-18

If we want to get technical

The question at hand are not technicalities. It's whether what you're saying is accurate or not. If you assert unsupported stuff, be prepared to be called on it.

we could go to Microsoft saying that Windows could only run on MS Dos and the lawsuits related to that.

First show that these suits hinged on the same arguments Oracle used against Google (i.e. breach of copyright and patents), if they in fact existed at all.

We could also say that Google could kick Acer out of OHA and Acer could sue and it could be in court.

Membership in private organizations is not subject to oversight by law, except in cases of direct discrimination based on certain controlled aspects of the person being discriminated against (race, ethnicity, gender, etc.) As Acer and Google aren't human beings, these do not apply. Therefore, Acer would have no standing to sue. Neither OHA, nor Google as its steering member, are obliged by law to accept anybody as a member.

Lawsuits are the end result.

Lawsuits have to have a basis in law. Bringing a lawsuit that is baseless is itself punishable as a frivolous lawsuit.

But its funny: "It is ironic that a company that talks freely about openness is espousing a closed ecosystem. Aliyun OS is not part of the Android ecosystem, so of course Aliyun OS is not, and does not have to be, compatible with Android. This is like saying that because they own the Googleplex in Mountain View, therefore anyone who builds in Mountain View is part of the Googleplex.

Will someone please ask Google to define Android?"

Please source this quote. Parts of it seem to be from Andy Rubin, but I cannot find a quote like this anywhere on the net.

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RE[7]: Interesting
by cdude on Mon 17th Sep 2012 10:20 in reply to "RE[6]: Interesting"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Aliyun OS is not part of the Android ecosystem, so of course Aliyun OS is not, and does not have to be, compatible with Android.


Correct and now the news: Google agrees on that. Google has no legal way to not agree on that.

Aliyun does NOT have to be compatible just like Amazon Kindle does NOT have to be compatible. Google cannot sue and has NO legal way to demand that.

And they don't. What they did was to form the OHA, formulate compatibility as target there. All OHA members agreed. Alibaba is not a OHA member and so they did not agree but even when they could decide right NOW its not there goal any longer and leave the OHA.

But this is not about Alibaba. This is about Acer which are in the OHA and they like to stay there. To be allowed to stay in the OHA Acer needs to fullfit the goal the OHA defined: compatibility. So, either Acer does not see that as priority, does the incompatible Aliyun and leaves, or they keep to define it as priority, abort Aliyun (as long as its incompatible - what can also mean Acer works on making it compatible) and stay in the OHA. Acer cannot have both cause both are exclusive. This is what google made clear and they are right about it.

You cannot define something as your target and expect to profit from things associated to it while doing the exact opposite without consequences (except your are a politican what is worse enough).

Google made clear Acer need to decide. Either they go for compatibility, and can stay in the OHA, or they don't, and need to leave the OHA. Acer decided.

Edited 2012-09-17 10:28 UTC

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RE[8]: Interesting
by jared_wilkes on Mon 17th Sep 2012 10:49 in reply to "RE[7]: Interesting"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

It's not clear that the OHA actually forbids what Acer is doing. For one thing, another OHA member is already producing both Android and Aliyun phones -- Haier. Secondly, Lenovo was one of the first OHA members to sell Android devices while selling an incompatible fork at the same time, the oPhone, several years ago.

At best, Google either doesn't know what their own rules are for the OHA or they've been doing a shit job applying them or they are arbitrarily creating new rules now for some members based on their significance.

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RE[8]: Interesting
by Windows Sucks on Mon 17th Sep 2012 11:29 in reply to "RE[7]: Interesting"
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2005-11-10

So then Acer would not be able to then sell any other OS? Like the BB 10 OS which has a Android run time? I am confused here, the point of the OHA is to make sure ANDROID meets a standard. But if the OS is not Android as in this case then the OHA still covers it??

And there are other companies in the OHA who sell Aliyun OS and have not been "threatened" by Google with expulsion. (Haier for example)

Make up your mind Google is it because Acer is a bigger seller of Android?

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