Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Sep 2012 16:56 UTC, submitted by Andy McLaughlin
OSNews, Generic OSes "Visopsys (VISual OPerating SYStem) is an alternative operating system for PC-compatible computers, developed almost exclusively by one person, Andy McLaughlin, since its inception in 1997. Andy is a 30-something programmer from Canada, who, via Boston and San Jose ended up in London, UK, where he spends much of his spare time developing Visopsys. We had the great fortune to catch up with Andy via email and ask him questions about Visopsys, why he started the project in the first place, and where is it going in the future."
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RE[6]: The hardest part
by Alfman on Tue 18th Sep 2012 18:25 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: The hardest part"
Alfman
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2011-01-28

Yes, I say "if" because clearly some new webcams are not supported by windows 7 out of the box. I'm looking now at newegg and I can't tell which ones are and which are not, they don't list their usb classes or identification numbers. To be honest, I don't mind installing drivers the old-school way, it was never really a criteria for me.

The only device type where not having built in drivers really hurts is network cards - since there's no way to go online and download new drivers.

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RE[7]: The hardest part
by zima on Tue 18th Sep 2012 19:00 in reply to "RE[6]: The hardest part"
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2005-07-06

But total world domination of UVC is not what I had in mind when writing "Webcams are already more or less covered, by USB video class" - for there to be no outliers, you'd have to force everybody to use UVC, and how do you propose doing that? (other than... MS becoming much more aggressive - and not only about the logo, but outright banning all non-compliant devices from Windows; I can bet you'd grumble much more about such scenario :p ).

So yes, webcams following their USB class are out there and quite numerous, no need for "if" - salesmen not advertising it, and consumers seemingly not caring much, is another issue.

Because it's good to have built-in drivers, or even such device class. Makes hardware more likely usable, down the line (that decade+ old QuickCam Express that I mentioned, still recognized & working flawlessly; no such luck with one similarly old and much nicer - but also rarer - Philips webcam; plus, OS-included drivers of chipsets and such often tended to be more trouble-free, in my experience)

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RE[8]: The hardest part
by Alfman on Tue 18th Sep 2012 19:44 in reply to "RE[7]: The hardest part"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

zima,

"So yes, webcams following their USB class are out there and quite numerous, no need for 'if' - salesmen not advertising it, and consumers seemingly not caring much, is another issue."

I just had to take you at your word, I was not attempting to suggest you were wrong.


"Because it's good to have built-in drivers, or even such device class. Makes hardware more likely usable, down the line (that decade+ old QuickCam Express that I mentioned..."

I think the shared driver model would take care of that though. If an OS implements ONE webcam interface "2012 PC driver webcam interface", then all of today's webcams could have a driver using this interface and be compatible. A decade from now we have the "2020 PC driver webcam interface", so the hobby OS implements only that interface and cannot control 2012 drivers directly.

Boohoo end of story? Not at all, there's no reason someone couldn't write a 2020 driver which, instead of interfacing to real hardware, would interfaces to the 2012 driver model and consequently load all 2012 compatible drivers. This is what I meant by forwards compatibility.

This would result in a significant reduction of effort spent in hobby operating systems writing drivers, and actually result in them being immediately compatible with all hardware being sold to the general population.


I won't pretend to know how to realistically get there from here, but all I know is that it would be an OS-deving paradise.

Edited 2012-09-18 19:55 UTC

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