Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Sep 2012 21:45 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Microsoft and RIM have announced that RIM has licensed Redmond's exFAT patents. The press release contains a ridiculous amount of hyperbole nonsense, and if you translate it into regular people speak, it basically comes down to RIM paying Microsoft protection money for stupid nonsensical software patents. Ridiculous articles like like this make it seem as if we're talking about patents on major technological breakthroughs, but don't be fooled: this is because for some inexplicable reason, we're using crappy FAT for SD cards.
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RE[2]: Metadata
by Lobotomik on Wed 19th Sep 2012 05:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Metadata"
Lobotomik
Member since:
2006-01-03

Not that I think that FAT or exFAT is anything other than a POS, but who cares about cluster sizes of 32K when the files are mostly going to be media files a couple megs long (pics or songs)?

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RE[3]: Metadata
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 19th Sep 2012 06:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Metadata"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I don't know about you, but my Android device doesn't even take pictures that are "a couple megs long." ;)

They're far smaller and more compressed than that. I'm surprised to see it produce one that is even 1MB in size. I don't know about you, but I also have other small file like simple text files that I make and use and on a regular basis on my phone. Surely there might be some small PDF files, and many configuration files scattered around too. I tried to format the microSD card with ext2 right when I got the phone and ditch the pre-formatted FAT file system, but Android won't recognize it and just asked to re-format it with FAT. That should not be the case given that it runs the Linux kernel; hell, version 2.2.2 of Android that it runs uses ext4 as the OS file system. So, well, I'm forced into FAT. Again. Yay.

I would like to ditch FAT on every machine I have, except in a rare FreeDOS virtual machine for nostalgia and fun, but it won't happen when companies keep supporting this wretched ancient family of file systems. And then you're got Microsoft extending the creaky thing far beyond its usefulness. Having had to use FAT32 with Win9x and experience (or should I say, put up with) the sudden disappearance of random system files and other files on a regular basis, I definitely have something against FAT. It is, IMO, complete trash. It needs to be accepted as what it is: obsolete technology that has long outlived its welcome.

There is no reason for a Linux-based device to enforce the use of such an old non-native DOS file system, and it's crazy that a piece of Microsoft hardware running a modified Windows NT kernel (the Xbox 360) requires FAT32 and will not operate with NTFS.

Edited 2012-09-19 06:38 UTC

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RE[4]: Metadata
by moondevil on Wed 19th Sep 2012 12:17 in reply to "RE[3]: Metadata"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

There is no reason for a Linux-based device to enforce the use of such an old non-native DOS file system, and it's crazy that a piece of Microsoft hardware running a modified Windows NT kernel (the Xbox 360) requires FAT32 and will not operate with NTFS.


Interoperability?

Which other filesystem do you know that is so universally accepted by most devices as FAT and its successors?

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RE[4]: Metadata
by lucas_maximus on Wed 19th Sep 2012 12:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Metadata"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Xbox 360 does not use a Modified Windows NT kernel.

According to Microsoft, it is a common misconception that the Xbox and Xbox 360 use a modified Windows 2000 kernel.[36] They claim that the Xbox operating system was built from scratch but implements a subset of Windows APIs. The idea that it does, indeed, run a modified copy of the Windows kernel still persists in the community


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

Be glad to be able to use FAT 32 because I had to use older filesystems ... Sun Ray Machines don't even recognize FAT32, they only recognise FAT12 and FAT16.

Edited 2012-09-19 12:53 UTC

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