Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Sep 2012 21:44 UTC, submitted by lemur2
Intel Clover Trail will get Linux and Android support after all. "Intel has plans for another version of this platform directed at Linux/Android; however we are not commenting on the platform specifics or market segments at this time. Stay tuned," Intel told ZDBet.
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Comment by Gusar
by Gusar on Wed 19th Sep 2012 22:18 UTC
Gusar
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2010-07-16

The GPU is PowerVR, no doubt the Linux driver will be as half-assed as the CedarView driver. So no thanks, I'll skip Clover Trail entirely.

I'm waiting for ValleyView: An out-of-order execution Atom CPU and an Ivy Bridge based GPU (gen7) which is all Intel's and as such will have a fully open-source driver. Now that's the stuff ;)

Edited 2012-09-19 22:20 UTC

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RE: Comment by Gusar
by moondevil on Thu 20th Sep 2012 06:45 in reply to "Comment by Gusar"
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2005-07-08

This is no different than most Android tablets and handsets.

In most of them the GPU and WiFi drivers are not open source.

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RE[2]: Comment by Gusar
by 0brad0 on Thu 20th Sep 2012 06:53 in reply to "RE: Comment by Gusar"
0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

This is no different than most Android tablets and handsets.

In most of them the GPU and WiFi drivers are not open source.


It says Linux / Android. That's not the case for Linux.

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RE[2]: Comment by Gusar
by christian on Thu 20th Sep 2012 10:05 in reply to "RE: Comment by Gusar"
christian Member since:
2005-07-06

This is no different than most Android tablets and handsets.

In most of them the GPU and WiFi drivers are not open source.


The difference is that the GPU/WiFi BLOB used with other platforms on Android actually work. The PowerVR ones don't for most people.

There is nothing inherently technically wrong with BLOB based drivers. I have no problems using NVidia drivers, they work great, and they're well maintained with current kernel versions.

It's just Intel's PowerVR based GPUs are appallingly supported by Intel.

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RE: Comment by Gusar
by fithisux on Thu 20th Sep 2012 08:43 in reply to "Comment by Gusar"
fithisux Member since:
2006-01-22

The GPU is PowerVR, no doubt the Linux driver will be as half-assed as the CedarView driver. So no thanks, I'll skip Clover Trail entirely.

I'm waiting for ValleyView: An out-of-order execution Atom CPU and an Ivy Bridge based GPU (gen7) which is all Intel's and as such will have a fully open-source driver. Now that's the stuff ;)


Agree.

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RE: Comment by Gusar
by bassbeast on Thu 20th Sep 2012 20:42 in reply to "Comment by Gusar"
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2007-11-11

Why would you want Atom after Intel has kept going with PowerVR? For low power X86 frankly the Bobcat is a better chip, dual out of order X86 chips with support for virtualization, unlike Intel they don't hamstring their chips on memory so you can go up to 8Gb on most models and 4gb on ALL models, usually cheaper than Atom and now that Intel has wiped out ION frankly its the only one that has a real GPU. Finally AMD has been opening their specs and docs as fast as they can and the next gen Bobcats are gonna have quad core out soon that fits into the same power envelope.

So I really don't know why you'd want an Atom, Intel cripples the chip too much trying to upsell you on a Celeron or Pentium. The bobcats have all the features of their big brothers, great performance, and you can buy an E350 in a nice HTPC case with PSU for $125 off of NewEgg. Just a better way to go if you want to run Linux IMHO. OpenELEC even has an XBMC build designed for Fusion OOTB, so you can just slap it on and go, easy peasy.

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RE[2]: Comment by Gusar
by Gusar on Thu 20th Sep 2012 23:15 in reply to "RE: Comment by Gusar"
Gusar Member since:
2010-07-16

Why would you want Atom after Intel has kept going with PowerVR?

Did you read what I wrote about ValleyView having a gen7 GPU that is totally Intel's (no PowerVR there)?

So I really don't know why you'd want an Atom

Did you read what I wrote about ValleyView being the first out-of-order execution Atom?

The answer to both questions seems to be "no".

Basically, what you wrote is a rant that is only possible because you ignored the two main points about ValleyView - the CPU is out-of-order (eliminating the weakness that is the in-order-ness of the current Atoms), and the GPU has a fully featured open-source driver (check the changelogs of the recent kernels, you'll find plenty of ValleyView commits in there).

The AMD machines you mention are missing two quite big things in the open-source driver, because AMD has *not* released specs for them - power management and hardware video decode. ValleyView will provide both. And that is why I want one.

And trust me, I'm very aware of the limitations of the current Atoms. The machine I'm typing this comment on is Diamondville (Atom N270 CPU, GMA950 GPU).

Edited 2012-09-20 23:16 UTC

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