Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Sep 2012 22:22 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems If there's one over-used buzzword currently making the rounds in the technology industry, it's 'post-PC world' - or the notion that desktops and laptops are a dying breed. Todd Bradley, executive vice president of HP's printing and personal systems group, thinks this is a nonsensical notion - and he's right.
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Trickle down
by earksiinni on Thu 20th Sep 2012 23:01 UTC
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The real revolution that tablets are ushering in is the walled garden approach to software payment and delivery. iPhone started it, but it wasn't until the iPad that we saw a successful implementation that combined iOS App Store's model with a reasonably large screen intended for PC-ish work. Windows 8 and Surface are the next logical steps: the former brings the PC platform to the payment/distribution model, the latter brings the emerging tablet platform and its accompanying payment/distribution model closer to the PC.

The real question is what will happen once we start seeing iPads at Goodwill and garage sales. In a PC world, you can buy the hardware, install your previous software, or even pirate your software like most of the world does. Loose/non-existant software controls make hardware usage fluid. Will it remain fluid with tablets?

What about internet cafes all around the world running pirated software, or all those XP installs running cracked versions of Photoshop? Will they ever be able to jump onto the tablet bandwagon?

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RE: Trickle down
by smashIt on Thu 20th Sep 2012 23:12 in reply to "Trickle down"
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The real revolution that tablets are ushering in is the walled garden approach to software payment and delivery. iPhone started it...


steam and xbla anyone?

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RE[2]: Trickle down
by earksiinni on Fri 21st Sep 2012 00:25 in reply to "RE: Trickle down"
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2009-03-27

But they didn't and don't offer nearly the same breadth of software.

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RE[2]: Trickle down
by bassbeast on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 09:17 in reply to "RE: Trickle down"
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Uhhh...how EXACTLY is Steam a "walled garden" when cracking it is as simple as going to gamecopyworld, no different than with any other retail game?

Now with XBLA you are correct because the act of cracking it would probably screw up the install (unless you did a hardware hack) but there is a free tool out there that will let you set multiple Steam game folders (for those with SSDs) so you could have your cracked games and your non cracked games and switch between them no problem with Steam, although why you'd actually want to crack when the sales make it cheaper than renting the thing.

Heck anybody who hasn't decided if they want Saints Row 3 can go download it free on Steam and play it all weekend, its a whole $14 if you want to keep it, fun game.

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RE: Trickle down
by kaiwai on Fri 21st Sep 2012 15:56 in reply to "Trickle down"
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2005-07-06

The real revolution that tablets are ushering in is the walled garden approach to software payment and delivery. iPhone started it, but it wasn't until the iPad that we saw a successful implementation that combined iOS App Store's model with a reasonably large screen intended for PC-ish work. Windows 8 and Surface are the next logical steps: the former brings the PC platform to the payment/distribution model, the latter brings the emerging tablet platform and its accompanying payment/distribution model closer to the PC.

The real question is what will happen once we start seeing iPads at Goodwill and garage sales. In a PC world, you can buy the hardware, install your previous software, or even pirate your software like most of the world does. Loose/non-existant software controls make hardware usage fluid. Will it remain fluid with tablets?

What about internet cafes all around the world running pirated software, or all those XP installs running cracked versions of Photoshop? Will they ever be able to jump onto the tablet bandwagon?


iOS was never meant to run applications - when it was launched Steve Jobs was adament that there was no need to run applications and that web apps would be the future. The Jailbreak saw this as a challenge and that is the origin of 'Jailbreak' was to run applications on iOS before there was an official SDK provided. Apple eventually caved in realising they could make a few bucks and here we are with the walled garden and application stores.

Personally I have nothing against an application store as so long as the process of filtering is consistent and transparent - where the filtering is done for genuine reasons rather than, "we don't want a competing browser in the app store' as with the case of iOS. For me I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I don't have any problems with the Google Play application store - my personal preference is Opera but when Chrome matures I might give that a go - end of the day I have that freedom to choose rather than Apple deciding that certain applications that 'might confuse customers' cannot be allowed on.

As for the PC - I can't ever seeing the PC being locked down; I could see maybe in the future for OS X as they become more consumer orientated (throw the professionals overboard in the process). Windows - even without the regulatory concerns, I just don't see it in their DNA; Windows Phone and Windows RT? sure but I don't ever see it expand beyound a few niche scenarios.

Edited 2012-09-21 16:13 UTC

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RE[2]: Trickle down
by earksiinni on Fri 21st Sep 2012 21:09 in reply to "RE: Trickle down"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

iOS was never meant to run applications - when it was launched Steve Jobs was adament that there was no need to run applications and that web apps would be the future.


Absolutely correct. Regardless, iPhone still takes the credit for the phenomenon. (Steam and other genre-specific delivery platforms notwithstanding.)

Personally I have nothing against an application store as so long as the process of filtering is consistent and transparent - where the filtering is done for genuine reasons rather than, "we don't want a competing browser in the app store' as with the case of iOS.


I don't have a problem with it, either, except when the OS starts inching toward restrictions on installing programs outside of the app store as we see with Windows 8.

As for the PC - I can't ever seeing the PC being locked down


Even with Metro being app store-only? What happens when other API's get fully deprecated? Nor is the potential only limited to "home" consumers. OS X server might be an underwhelming product, but Apple has shown that it's possible to deliver even server platforms through app stores.

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RE: Trickle down
by tupp on Fri 21st Sep 2012 18:37 in reply to "Trickle down"
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The real revolution that tablets are ushering in is the walled garden approach to software payment and delivery. iPhone started it,...

No.

"App stores" for PCs existed long before the Iphone and were widely utilized.

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RE[2]: Trickle down
by earksiinni on Fri 21st Sep 2012 21:02 in reply to "RE: Trickle down"
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2009-03-27

See my reply above; Steam et al. were and still largely are specific for one genre of programs. I don't know of any app stores before iPhone's that were widely used and that had programs for a wide variety of categories. That is the key to the unification of tablets and PC's.

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