Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Sep 2012 21:44 UTC, submitted by lemur2
Intel Clover Trail will get Linux and Android support after all. "Intel has plans for another version of this platform directed at Linux/Android; however we are not commenting on the platform specifics or market segments at this time. Stay tuned," Intel told ZDBet.
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RE[2]: Comment by Gusar
by Gusar on Thu 20th Sep 2012 23:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Gusar"
Gusar
Member since:
2010-07-16

Why would you want Atom after Intel has kept going with PowerVR?

Did you read what I wrote about ValleyView having a gen7 GPU that is totally Intel's (no PowerVR there)?

So I really don't know why you'd want an Atom

Did you read what I wrote about ValleyView being the first out-of-order execution Atom?

The answer to both questions seems to be "no".

Basically, what you wrote is a rant that is only possible because you ignored the two main points about ValleyView - the CPU is out-of-order (eliminating the weakness that is the in-order-ness of the current Atoms), and the GPU has a fully featured open-source driver (check the changelogs of the recent kernels, you'll find plenty of ValleyView commits in there).

The AMD machines you mention are missing two quite big things in the open-source driver, because AMD has *not* released specs for them - power management and hardware video decode. ValleyView will provide both. And that is why I want one.

And trust me, I'm very aware of the limitations of the current Atoms. The machine I'm typing this comment on is Diamondville (Atom N270 CPU, GMA950 GPU).

Edited 2012-09-20 23:16 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Gusar
by 0brad0 on Fri 21st Sep 2012 00:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Gusar"
0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

"Why would you want Atom after Intel has kept going with PowerVR?

Did you read what I wrote about ValleyView having a gen7 GPU that is totally Intel's (no PowerVR there)?

So I really don't know why you'd want an Atom

Did you read what I wrote about ValleyView being the first out-of-order execution Atom?

The answer to both questions seems to be "no".
"

The Intel GPUs even Gen7 leave a lot to be desired (their GPUs still suck).

The AMD SoC's you can buy now. The Intel SoC's you cannot and won't be able to for upwards of a year from now.

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RE[3]: Comment by Gusar
by bassbeast on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 09:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Gusar"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Check out OpenELEC, seems to be working just fine. i built a couple of E350s and everything played nice and smooth in both 720 and 1080, no hassle. And I'm sorry but Intel GPUs still sucketh, they just aren't very good and are still several generations behind what Nvidia and AMD have coming out.

Finally you still ignored the elephant in the room which is Intel STILL cripples the chips, no support for decent amounts of RAM (last specs I saw was still limited to 2gb, AMD has minimum 4Gb and most support 8Gb) and things like GPU turbo again missing.

So if you wanna pay more for a weaker hamstringed chip that is your business, but I have NO doubt that the Bobcat II is gonna curbstomp it. Oh and you can buy Bobcat one NOW at just $125 with a nice case and PSU, look at the Intel offerings, they charge more for less.

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RE[4]: Comment by Gusar
by Gusar on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 10:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Gusar"
Gusar Member since:
2010-07-16

I'm only interested in netbooks, while you're talking about HTPC. Different use cases. You don't really need to care about power management for example, while on a netbook it's very important for battery life.

Also, for a netbook even a gen7 GPU is plenty. My current netbook has a GMA950 (gen3)! Not to mention with Intel I don't have hassles with either an incomplete open driver or a problematic closed one, as would be the case with AMD graphics.

And I know ValleyView is still quite a long way away. But it was clear from my first post that I have no problem waiting for it. So saying that Bobcat is available now is a non-argument, it's irrelevant for my specific case.

The other stuff you mention, like RAM, also not relevant for me. I have only 2GB even in my desktop, it's plenty enough. And my current netbook chugs along with just 1GB.
Finally, price: When I look at netbooks, current Intel offerings are cheaper or same price compared to AMD. Yeah they have PowerVR GPUs, so out of the question for me, but still.

Edited 2012-09-22 10:52 UTC

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