Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Sep 2012 22:22 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems If there's one over-used buzzword currently making the rounds in the technology industry, it's 'post-PC world' - or the notion that desktops and laptops are a dying breed. Todd Bradley, executive vice president of HP's printing and personal systems group, thinks this is a nonsensical notion - and he's right.
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RE: Trickle down
by kaiwai on Fri 21st Sep 2012 15:56 UTC in reply to "Trickle down"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

The real revolution that tablets are ushering in is the walled garden approach to software payment and delivery. iPhone started it, but it wasn't until the iPad that we saw a successful implementation that combined iOS App Store's model with a reasonably large screen intended for PC-ish work. Windows 8 and Surface are the next logical steps: the former brings the PC platform to the payment/distribution model, the latter brings the emerging tablet platform and its accompanying payment/distribution model closer to the PC.

The real question is what will happen once we start seeing iPads at Goodwill and garage sales. In a PC world, you can buy the hardware, install your previous software, or even pirate your software like most of the world does. Loose/non-existant software controls make hardware usage fluid. Will it remain fluid with tablets?

What about internet cafes all around the world running pirated software, or all those XP installs running cracked versions of Photoshop? Will they ever be able to jump onto the tablet bandwagon?


iOS was never meant to run applications - when it was launched Steve Jobs was adament that there was no need to run applications and that web apps would be the future. The Jailbreak saw this as a challenge and that is the origin of 'Jailbreak' was to run applications on iOS before there was an official SDK provided. Apple eventually caved in realising they could make a few bucks and here we are with the walled garden and application stores.

Personally I have nothing against an application store as so long as the process of filtering is consistent and transparent - where the filtering is done for genuine reasons rather than, "we don't want a competing browser in the app store' as with the case of iOS. For me I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and I don't have any problems with the Google Play application store - my personal preference is Opera but when Chrome matures I might give that a go - end of the day I have that freedom to choose rather than Apple deciding that certain applications that 'might confuse customers' cannot be allowed on.

As for the PC - I can't ever seeing the PC being locked down; I could see maybe in the future for OS X as they become more consumer orientated (throw the professionals overboard in the process). Windows - even without the regulatory concerns, I just don't see it in their DNA; Windows Phone and Windows RT? sure but I don't ever see it expand beyound a few niche scenarios.

Edited 2012-09-21 16:13 UTC

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RE[2]: Trickle down
by earksiinni on Fri 21st Sep 2012 21:09 in reply to "RE: Trickle down"
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2009-03-27

iOS was never meant to run applications - when it was launched Steve Jobs was adament that there was no need to run applications and that web apps would be the future.


Absolutely correct. Regardless, iPhone still takes the credit for the phenomenon. (Steam and other genre-specific delivery platforms notwithstanding.)

Personally I have nothing against an application store as so long as the process of filtering is consistent and transparent - where the filtering is done for genuine reasons rather than, "we don't want a competing browser in the app store' as with the case of iOS.


I don't have a problem with it, either, except when the OS starts inching toward restrictions on installing programs outside of the app store as we see with Windows 8.

As for the PC - I can't ever seeing the PC being locked down


Even with Metro being app store-only? What happens when other API's get fully deprecated? Nor is the potential only limited to "home" consumers. OS X server might be an underwhelming product, but Apple has shown that it's possible to deliver even server platforms through app stores.

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RE[3]: Trickle down
by kaiwai on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 03:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Trickle down"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Absolutely correct. Regardless, iPhone still takes the credit for the phenomenon. (Steam and other genre-specific delivery platforms notwithstanding.)


Even before then I had a Handspring PDA which had a mobile phone module you could buy (turning a PDA into a mobile phone) and there was an online store where you could buy applications from - be it not a walled garden though.

I don't have a problem with it, either, except when the OS starts inching toward restrictions on installing programs outside of the app store as we see with Windows 8.


But even then I don't see it happening broadly - end of the day large chunks of WinRT either are a wrapper around win32 or developers are pretty much required to use a only the win32 that Microsoft have earmarked as being 'ok' to mix with a WinRT application (I assume those marked Win32 are ones that are modern and non-derprecated). I'm still confused some what regarding WinRT and it's relationship to Win32 - it was marketed as a wholly native API but when one does a dependency trace large chunks still rely on many parts of Win32 which makes me wonder whether WinRT is more like a higher level of abstraction off win32 rather than a complete win32 replacement.

Even with Metro being app store-only? What happens when other API's get fully deprecated? Nor is the potential only limited to "home" consumers. OS X server might be an underwhelming product, but Apple has shown that it's possible to deliver even server platforms through app stores.


But end of the day Apple is a consumer electronics company who can quite easily throw their professional base under the bus if they become more problematic than they're worth. End of the day they can look at their demographics and if they have xx million users and x million professionals with all the growth coming from non-professionals then Tim Cook might just decide that throwing under the bus its traditional user base is worth it for the long term potential market gain of selling a product that 'just works'. When your operating system is locked down and the only applications that can run are those sold through the application store then don't be surprised at the number of end users who see that as a benefit to 'keep secure'. You and I might have esoteric discussions about freedom but for Joe and Jane Sixpack the argument will be 'does it allow me to do what I want without having to worry about anything' - and if means that Apple becomes the gate keeper then many will trade that freedom for the sake of at least perceived security.

Compare that to Microsoft who mainly have enterprise customers - they have millions more professional customers out there who run in large enteprrise deployments and for that alone any decisions made will have to take such a situation into account. It is the enterprise customer that'll ultimately moderate Microsoft's behaviour with rumours not too long ago that side loading applications won't be as difficut as first thought. For me if there is a way to get around the restrictions whilst giving Joe and Jane Sixpack the walled garden they want then it's all good.

Edited 2012-09-22 03:10 UTC

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