Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Sep 2012 22:22 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems If there's one over-used buzzword currently making the rounds in the technology industry, it's 'post-PC world' - or the notion that desktops and laptops are a dying breed. Todd Bradley, executive vice president of HP's printing and personal systems group, thinks this is a nonsensical notion - and he's right.
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RE[2]: Trickle down
by earksiinni on Fri 21st Sep 2012 21:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Trickle down"
earksiinni
Member since:
2009-03-27

See my reply above; Steam et al. were and still largely are specific for one genre of programs. I don't know of any app stores before iPhone's that were widely used and that had programs for a wide variety of categories. That is the key to the unification of tablets and PC's.

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RE[3]: Trickle down
by tupp on Fri 21st Sep 2012 22:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Trickle down"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

The origin of the "app store" has been thoroughly debated on this forum, most recently when Apple and its fanboys tried to float the notion that Apple invented the concept of the "app store."

Some even suggested that it was Apple who invented the term "app," for Iphone programs. However, the fanboys quickly retracted and added the word "store" when it was shown that the term "app" was in wide use many years before the first Mac appeared.

Evidently, the Apple fanboys think that combining "app" with "store" was an inspired stroke of genius by none other than "Steve" (Jobs).

It comes down to this: Linux repositories and package managers are "app stores" which have existed since the late 1990s, with a zillion myriad apps downloaded prior to the existence of the Iphone.

If a fanboy later adds the irrelevant condition that one pays for apps in Apple's model, one merely need mention Lindows/Linspire CNR (Click-N-Run), a paying Linux repository/package-manager which existed five years before the first Iphone: http://www.michaelrobertson.com/archive.php?minute_id=340

Care to add any more conditions or qualitative distinctions?

Edited 2012-09-21 22:32 UTC

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RE[4]: Trickle down
by earksiinni on Fri 21st Sep 2012 22:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Trickle down"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

The origin of the "app store" has been thoroughly debated on this forum, most recently when Apple and its fanboys tried to float the notion that Apple invented the concept of the "app store."


Huh? I am openly telling you that Apple did not invent the app store when I recognize that there were precursors. l2read.

Linux repositories and package managers are "app stores" which have existed since the late 1990s...If a fanboy later adds the irrelevant condition that one pays for apps in Apple's model, one merely need mention Lindows/Linspire CNR (Click-N-Run), a paying Linux repository/package-manager which existed five years before the first Iphone


Irrelevant? You've gutted a key part of my argument, which was that the tablet successfully combines a form factor that's OK for PC-ish work with the app store delivery and payment model. The fact that they found a way to make the payment side work is of utmost importance to closed source participation and, what I am ultimately arguing, the widespread adoption of a particular hardware platform.

At any rate, neither Linspire CNR (of which I actually have an old CD that a friend gave me) nor package managers like Debian's (which is what CNR is based off of) are anywhere near as successful as the major app stores in reaching consumers. I am talking about the first, massively successful, general purpose app store that found its way onto a screen form factor that's good enough for doing serious work.

BTW, "a zillion myriad apps downloaded" is not exactly true. I doubt that Debian has more than 30k packages (let alone apps), and that's one of the bigger ones; it is miniscule compared to the app stores in terms of number of apps and probably even number of downloads. But, of course, this is not what I am arguing; I am arguing based on overall number of users.

Evidently, the Apple fanboys think that combining "app" with "store" was an inspired stroke of genius by none other than "Steve" (Jobs).


How can you call me a fanboy? Is it not obvious from my original post that I find this trend detestable? Hell, I don't even like package management let alone app stores. That's why I use Slackware ;-)

Edited 2012-09-21 22:43 UTC

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RE[4]: Trickle down
by Soulbender on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 12:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Trickle down"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

It comes down to this: Linux repositories and package managers are "app stores"


But not walled gardens.

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RE[3]: Trickle down
by bassbeast on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 09:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Trickle down"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

The whole "post PC" thing to IS complete nonsense, what has actually happened is PCs went from good enough to insanely overpowered so now like washers and dryers people don't replace them until they die. Can you imagine someone writing a "post washer and dryer" article?

I mean look at what I was selling on the low end FIVE years ago: Phenom I X3 or X4 with 4Gb of RAM and a 300Gb+ HDD. Now is there ANYTHING you average user is gonna run that isn't gonna be curbstomped by that chip? heck I'm playing all the latest games on a 3 year old Phenom II X6 and my youngest is doing the same on a 4 year old Phenom II X4, and in both cases the chips spends more time idling than anything.

I mean look at this kit, throw in a copy of Win 8 pro for $40 and you have a quad core WITH graphics that will curbstomp anything your average user wants to do, is it any wonder people aren't buying when even the $300 cheapo units are so insanely overpowered?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.as...

I built my GF one of their "$199 triple core blowout" deals last year, she got 4Gb of RAM, 650Gb HDD, and an HD5450. what does she do with a PC? She goes to websites, she listens to music and watches videos, she burns DVDs. Her last PC lasted her nearly 8 years so I can see this triple lasting her even longer, we've just got more power than we know what to do with, trhat's all.

Finally as for pads? i predict other than iPads (which are as much about fashion as tech) we'll quickly see the same thing happen, now that decent pads are $99 it won't be long until everyone that wants one has one and then the market will drop. Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see dual core pads for $50 this time next year, and single cores sold in toy stores, they are gonna be throw away toys, not used for real work.

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