Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th Sep 2012 21:44 UTC, submitted by lemur2
Intel Clover Trail will get Linux and Android support after all. "Intel has plans for another version of this platform directed at Linux/Android; however we are not commenting on the platform specifics or market segments at this time. Stay tuned," Intel told ZDBet.
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RE[4]: Comment by Gusar
by Gusar on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 10:39 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Gusar"
Gusar
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2010-07-16

I'm only interested in netbooks, while you're talking about HTPC. Different use cases. You don't really need to care about power management for example, while on a netbook it's very important for battery life.

Also, for a netbook even a gen7 GPU is plenty. My current netbook has a GMA950 (gen3)! Not to mention with Intel I don't have hassles with either an incomplete open driver or a problematic closed one, as would be the case with AMD graphics.

And I know ValleyView is still quite a long way away. But it was clear from my first post that I have no problem waiting for it. So saying that Bobcat is available now is a non-argument, it's irrelevant for my specific case.

The other stuff you mention, like RAM, also not relevant for me. I have only 2GB even in my desktop, it's plenty enough. And my current netbook chugs along with just 1GB.
Finally, price: When I look at netbooks, current Intel offerings are cheaper or same price compared to AMD. Yeah they have PowerVR GPUs, so out of the question for me, but still.

Edited 2012-09-22 10:52 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Gusar
by bassbeast on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 03:13 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Gusar"
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Uhhh...I paid $350 for mine WITH the RAM on Amazon, and that was for a nice 12 inch EEE with the E350, seriously dude how cheap do you want? If you are wanting bargain basement you should just go here and snatch an off lease or return, they had a C60 last week for $145, you just have to watch and see what they get..

http://www.cowboom.com/Computers/Laptops-Notebooks/?page=1&order=pr...

And 2Gb in 2012 is just pathetic man, REALLY pathetic, especially when you consider the ONLY reason the chip only supports 2Gb is its pre-crippled. it also doesn't have the advanced speedstep either, whereas Bobcat not only has their own version of Speedstep there is a OSS program called "Brazos Tweaker" where you can alter the P-states and get even lower power draw, really sweet if you need crazy battery life.

Now I know all about Bobcat in netbooks, as I say i have the EEE 1215B which is a sweetheart. gets 6 hours on a charge playing 720p video, can go longer just websurfing if I kill BT, and even comes with an Android style Linux called Expressgate which there are several tutorials on how to tweak and add your own apps to. as it is if you only want to surf and listen to music its great and gets crazy battery life, close to 9 hours when I was playing with it.

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RE[6]: Comment by Gusar
by Gusar on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 11:58 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Gusar"
Gusar Member since:
2010-07-16

Uhhh...I paid $350 for mine WITH the RAM on Amazon, and that was for a nice 12 inch EEE with the E350, seriously dude how cheap do you want?

My current netbook was 190 EUR back when I bought it, three and a half years ago. Nowadays there's plenty Of CedarView machines that go for around 230 EUR. I can find only one AMD netbook for 230 EUR, the rest all cost more.

And 2Gb in 2012 is just pathetic man, REALLY pathetic, especially when you consider the ONLY reason the chip only supports 2Gb is its pre-crippled.

I have 2GB in a *non-crippled* Core i3 desktop. By *choice*. It's a self-assembled machine, and I figured 2GB for starters, I can always add more if needed. But it was never needed. Current RAM usage is 312MB, with an additional 1.2GB in buffers/cache.

The same system I run on this desktop, and the netbook, is also on a ten year old laptop that until very recently only had 256MB of RAM in it (now it has 512MB). It works great. The only limitation with so little RAM was you couldn't open too many tabs in a browser, but with the RAM upgrade not even that is a problem anymore.

So I'll be blunt: If there's anything pathetic here, it's your argument. An efficient non-bloated system, even in 2012, will run fine in 1GB with room to spare.


it also doesn't have the advanced speedstep either,

My current netbook scales the freq just fine between 800Mhz and 1.67GHz. My brother's Pineview netbook does it between 1.0 and 1.6GHz. Mine has a very small battery (expected, considering the price I paid for it) so it lasts up to 3 hours depending on usage, but my brother's goes more than 7 hours easy. So what more do I need in terms of speedstep?

Really, none of your arguments are convincing. Now, I'm not saying there's anything bad with AMD netbooks, but the Intel ones (those that don't have PowerVR, that is) have one big advantage - a much better Linux GPU driver.

Edited 2012-09-23 12:07 UTC

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