Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 22:07 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 will include advertisements for products on Amazon. It will look like this - if you search, product suggestions will pop up. This seems like a rather slippery slope to me, and I certainly wouldn't want this on my desktop, laptop, smartphone, tablet, or anywhere else. On the web - fine, I'm on your site, not mine - but my desktop is mine, and mine alone. Not that it matters - open source, someone will disable them. Biggest concern: does this mean my search queries get sent across the web?
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RE[3]: It's just a lens
by TM99 on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 04:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: It's just a lens"
TM99
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2012-08-26

No, what the Linux community was impressed with initially was the fact that an African millionaire decided to produce a Debian Linux spin-off that would be available for 2nd and 3rd World countries.

Ubuntu, the distro, however, is not Canonical, the corporation. Shuttleworth is independently wealthy and annual revenues for their services still nets them around $30 million. No that is not Apple, but it is hardly bleeding out and struggling to keep the lights on.

FOSS and Linux are not the same as 'corporate capitalism' though they are hardly 'communistic' in opposition to it. But you obviously confuse the two numerous times in this post. Most complaints these days about Ubuntu and Canonical are that they do not know how to separate the two either.

For example, Ubuntu's insistence on using Unity and now adding by default (i.e., I must opt-out not opt-in) integrated Amazon search are two examples of this inappropriate fusing of two radically different philosophies where both become watered down. Freedom is removed from Ubuntu, and Canonical is still not the African Apple or Microsoft.

If they want to be financially more successful, they could learn a thing or two from the market segment leaders like IBM, Red Hat, etc. Red Hat and Fedora keep and maintain this separation. If Fedora wants to be bleeding edge and do something stupid like adding Gnome 3, then they can. If it is a screw-up, someone will fork it, maintain Gnome 2, etc. Red Hat's corporate Linux is very conservative and maintains stability for long-term business customers and thereby provides them a much more stable and growing revenue stream. After all, RHEL versions 4, 5 & 6 ship with Gnome 2.8, 2.16, & 2.28 respectively.

Shuttleworth made his millions in the 'dot-com' high as a venture capitalist. He is a 'personality' and not necessarily the best person to run a successful long-term corporate entity in the 'Linux' world.

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RE[4]: It's just a lens
by UltraZelda64 on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 04:23 in reply to "RE[3]: It's just a lens"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

No, what the Linux community was impressed with initially was the fact that an African millionaire decided to produce a Debian Linux spin-off that would be available for 2nd and 3rd World countries.

Wow. Well if that's it, then it truly is ironic that Ubuntu is now trying to advertise shit from Amazon to people in those same second- and third-world countries. Including that continent the distribution itself originates from.

Edited 2012-09-23 04:27 UTC

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RE[5]: It's just a lens
by TM99 on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 04:44 in reply to "RE[4]: It's just a lens"
TM99 Member since:
2012-08-26

"No, what the Linux community was impressed with initially was the fact that an African millionaire decided to produce a Debian Linux spin-off that would be available for 2nd and 3rd World countries.

Wow. Well if that's it, then it truly is ironic that Ubuntu is now trying to advertise shit from Amazon to people in those same second- and third-world countries. Including that continent the distribution itself originates from.
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That was my observation at the time in the professional worlds I am in with those who use Linx, and yes, I definitely agree that it is ironic as hell!

Personally, I was never impressed with Shuttlworth nor Ubuntu. I will just use Debian proper.

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RE[4]: It's just a lens
by Soulbender on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 04:40 in reply to "RE[3]: It's just a lens"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Freedom is removed from Ubuntu


Exactly how does this remove any freedom from Ubuntu?

they could learn a thing or two from the market segment leaders like IBM, Red Hat


Ah, so they should create an enterprise product that is partly closed source and relies on Windows?

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RE[5]: It's just a lens
by TM99 on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 04:54 in reply to "RE[4]: It's just a lens"
TM99 Member since:
2012-08-26

"Freedom is removed from Ubuntu


Exactly how does this remove any freedom from Ubuntu?

they could learn a thing or two from the market segment leaders like IBM, Red Hat


Ah, so they should create an enterprise product that is partly closed source and relies on Windows?
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So you admit that you too are confused when it comes to Open Source, Linux, and FSF? Not surprising as many are.

Relies on Window? In what universe does RHEL rely on Windows? They are interoperable in the Enterprise space but dependent and reliant? Where does IBM rely on Microsoft? Again, the Power Series with AIX & GNU/Linux are interoperable with Windows, but reliant and dependent? WTF are you smoking?!

Closed source? AIX is Unix not Linux but the Linux portion of IBM's services is Open Source. I run Scientific Linux which is from RHEL - in other words, Open Source. IBM & Red Hat know how to sell services and keep their divisions apart, make changes much more conservatively as any large business should, and are not run by 'personalities'.

Facts be damned eh, if it goes against your 'world-view' or chosen tech religion?

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