Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 22:07 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 will include advertisements for products on Amazon. It will look like this - if you search, product suggestions will pop up. This seems like a rather slippery slope to me, and I certainly wouldn't want this on my desktop, laptop, smartphone, tablet, or anywhere else. On the web - fine, I'm on your site, not mine - but my desktop is mine, and mine alone. Not that it matters - open source, someone will disable them. Biggest concern: does this mean my search queries get sent across the web?
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RE[4]: It's just a lens
by Gullible Jones on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 04:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: It's just a lens"
Gullible Jones
Member since:
2006-05-23

Yes, because we all want another god damn proprietary operating system.

Why the hell not? It would help create some bona fide competition on the desktop market, which IMO Apple and Microsoft badly need, both being effective monopolies in their respective niches.

Anyway, the problem with OSes isn't that they have proprietary licenses, it's that they have unfriendly licenses. Take Windows for example... You pay $100+ for a physical medium that's licensed to maybe 3 computers, no exception for VMs, have to buy a new license when installing on a new computer, etc. This is not a user-friendly state of affairs, but MS can afford to keep things this way because they have the market cornered. Having alternative, proprietary desktop OSes available might force them to price and license their OS more competitively.

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RE[5]: It's just a lens
by UltraZelda64 on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 04:48 in reply to "RE[4]: It's just a lens"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I don't see how adding another proprietary operating system to the mix will help anything.

As you said, the license is the real problem for most proprietary software including both Microsoft's and Apple's, and not just for operating systems. The problem is, the licenses are practically always a problem and I don't imagine that magically changing out of nowhere. Companies know people don't care, they'll just buy the software anyway, not even reading the license.

The companies know they have their customers by the balls because they don't even get to *read* the license until after they tear away the shrink-wrap and put the disc in the drive, and by that time it's too late: the store won't take it back for a refund, because you've already opened it, and they suspect you to have copied the disc and registration key, you dirty thief!

I would be surprised if any company would ever come up with a license for their proprietary software product that I could truly agree with, and actually mean it when I am forced to click "I agree" to proceed with the installation. Sorry, but I just don't see it happening.

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RE[6]: It's just a lens
by allanregistos on Mon 24th Sep 2012 00:18 in reply to "RE[5]: It's just a lens"
allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

I don't see how adding another proprietary operating system to the mix will help anything.

As you said, the license is the real problem for most proprietary software including both Microsoft's and Apple's, and not just for operating systems. The problem is, the licenses are practically always a problem and I don't imagine that magically changing out of nowhere. Companies know people don't care, they'll just buy the software anyway, not even reading the license.


Partly wrong. You are correct that most sys admin will not read the whole long license agreement, but they do review it for the sake of legality. We received faxes from authorities asking us to validate our software licenses, or else the police will come, so its wrong to say COMPANIES will not read licenses. Home users, yes.

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RE[5]: It's just a lens
by lucas_maximus on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 13:43 in reply to "RE[4]: It's just a lens"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

$100 dollars for a license that never runs out, is supported for 10 years (works out at about $10 a year ... and you call that expensive).

The cost argument is negligible given the amount of time, you have support.

I still have my original XP and 2000 licenses and they still work and install fine. $100 is a pittance.

Edited 2012-09-23 13:45 UTC

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RE[6]: It's just a lens
by jbicha on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 14:19 in reply to "RE[5]: It's just a lens"
jbicha Member since:
2008-07-10

What does Windows support look like?

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RE[6]: It's just a lens
by darknexus on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 14:33 in reply to "RE[5]: It's just a lens"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

$100 dollars for a license that never runs out, is supported for 10 years (works out at about $10 a year ... and you call that expensive).

Well, since most computers come with Windows anyway, it's a non-issue for most consumers unless they want to upgrade.

The cost argument is negligible given the amount of time, you have support.

Support, eh? Where is this support you mention? The last time I wanted to report a problem I found in Windows there was nothing but an auto-reply email.

I still have my original XP and 2000 licenses and they still work and install fine. $100 is a pittance.

2000 always will, though good luck finding updated apps that'll still install on it without some manual effort. As for XP… well, we'll see if it still installs and runs just fine once Microsoft takes the XP activation servers offline. ;)

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RE[6]: It's just a lens
by JAlexoid on Mon 24th Sep 2012 08:15 in reply to "RE[5]: It's just a lens"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

*rem*

Edited 2012-09-24 08:19 UTC

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