Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 22:07 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 will include advertisements for products on Amazon. It will look like this - if you search, product suggestions will pop up. This seems like a rather slippery slope to me, and I certainly wouldn't want this on my desktop, laptop, smartphone, tablet, or anywhere else. On the web - fine, I'm on your site, not mine - but my desktop is mine, and mine alone. Not that it matters - open source, someone will disable them. Biggest concern: does this mean my search queries get sent across the web?
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UltraZelda64
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2006-12-05

Who cares? Why does the default install have to come with a bitmap editor?

Well then, why has Windows come with Paint practically since its inception? Did it really hurt anyone when Microsoft included a bitmap editor as a standard feature of their operating system? While on the topic, let's go back a bit further. What about MacPaint? Surely that wasn't needed as a feature of the original Macintosh, was it? Even if you don't need it, a bitmap editor should be like a text editor; it should just be there, in case you do need it. I would consider it basic expected functionality.

Even at an early stage stage of someone's life (ie. kids) its availability and accessibility makes it valuable as a teaching tool. And in today's GUI-driven computing world, isn't there even the slightest bit of importance in knowing the basics of how to use a bitmap editor? Images are used everywhere, from web and product design to advertising. An early introduction surely can't hurt anyone. And yet, Ubuntu basically did away with it completely in their base install/live environment.

Besides, considering GIMP's godawful UI pretty much ANYTHING is better for the average use case.

You know, there are other actual image editors that they could have replaced it with and I would see no problem then. There are bitmap editors that are faster, that take up less space, and are easier to use/learn. Which goes back to my point that F-Spot--despite what Canonical claimed--is NOT a replacement image editor. Yet, they acted as if it were a drop-in replacement. An image organizer with no real image editing functionality is not a replacement.

Good job insulting everyone, which happen to be a large part of the non-western world, who like different colors.

You talk as if brown is the only color there is and that everyone in non-western cultures just loves it.

Either way, I'm done arguing colors and bitmap editors... no longer an Ubuntu user myself so the horrible themes don't really phase me, and I've said enough about Ubuntu's lack of a bitmap editor.

Edited 2012-09-23 05:44 UTC

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10


Either way, I'm done arguing colors and bitmap editors... no longer an Ubuntu user myself so the horrible themes don't really phase me, and I've said enough about Ubuntu's lack of a bitmap editor.


A GNOME Shell user? If yes, then you loved that horrible/ugly icons, boring grey, wasting so much space, and the Activities area where you can view the launcher, are filled with so many icons that I can no longer see what's in there because it gets smaller and smaller as you run applications.

So, please understand that this is a subjective issue when it comes to design, but the consensus if you want to know is GNOME Shell is a design failure, compared to Unity.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

GNOME 3, or more specifically the "GNOME Shell," is an atrocity. That horrible environment is another discussion entirely, which I'd rather not get too much into (I've slammed it plenty in the past already, no need to again). And given that Ubuntu didn't even want to use it (they chose to use their own Unity that they originally designed for netbooks, after all) makes it matter even less in the context of this news item/discussion anyway.

But while already slightly off-topic... Between those two environments plus Microsoft's Metro, I honestly couldn't say which one is the worst (at least when talking about traditional desktop/laptop computers with keyboard and mouse/trackpad). Maybe GNOME 3, by just a hair? I don't know. Doesn't matter, they all suck and I refuse to use any of them. The KDE guys were the only ones who got it right by keeping a traditional-style desktop while simply adding an alternate GUI for those devices that were better-suited to something different.

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