Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 22:07 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 will include advertisements for products on Amazon. It will look like this - if you search, product suggestions will pop up. This seems like a rather slippery slope to me, and I certainly wouldn't want this on my desktop, laptop, smartphone, tablet, or anywhere else. On the web - fine, I'm on your site, not mine - but my desktop is mine, and mine alone. Not that it matters - open source, someone will disable them. Biggest concern: does this mean my search queries get sent across the web?
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RE[2]: It's just a lens
by Soulbender on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 10:57 UTC in reply to "RE: It's just a lens"
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

People are not moaning here senselessly.


Yes they are.

but also FLOSS philosophy

What philosophy would that be, exactly? FLOSS is bigger than Linux and the FSF. I'm pretty sure that making design choices isn't something that "philosophy" prohibits. Maybe it's against ads? Hmmmm..nope.

To sum up: "take it or leave" *IS NOT A REAL CHOICE*.


Or, you know, just uninstall the damn lens. That's a choice.

Canonical doesn't give you choice with this hardcoded option, and it's kinda not what Linux is all about.


Really? How about all the choices that are "hardcoded" into every single distro, like SusE's Yast or Slackware's lack of sysv init or systemd that will soon make it into RH/CentOS. What if I don't like those choices? Am I being deprived of my freedoms by Patrick Volkerding?
Come on, the very reason we have different distros is BECAUSE they're different and does things differently.

Also, being a default is not the same as being hard-coded. There are some pretty fundamental differences between the two, actually.

but what If someone loves Unity and Ubuntu that much and hates ads?

Remove. The. Lens.
Remove. The. Lens.
Remove. The. Damn. Lens.

The last thing is the privacy thing: don't know about you, but I would NEVER allow anything to display me ANY sort of ads on MY own computer and OS. NE-VER!


I'm pretty sure no-one has denied you that right.

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RE[3]: It's just a lens
by marcp on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 14:14 in reply to "RE[2]: It's just a lens"
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2007-11-23

[quote]What philosophy would that be, exactly? FLOSS is bigger than Linux and the FSF. I'm pretty sure that making design choices isn't something that "philosophy" prohibits. Maybe it's against ads? Hmmmm..nope. [/quote]
Well, yes. You may be right here. It's not against "open source" philosophy for sure.
[quote]Or, you know, just uninstall the damn lens. That's a choice. [/quote]
Is it even possible? how do you know? have you tested it? I must admit I am not quite sure whether it's possible yet. I'm quite sure they'll make it nearly impossible, as it will become their way to increase their revenue. It will probobly require some low-level hackery, which ... guess what? not many users will be able to perform.


[quote]Really? How about all the choices that are "hardcoded" into every single distro, like SusE's Yast or Slackware's lack of sysv init or systemd that will soon make it into RH/CentOS. What if I don't like those choices? Am I being deprived of my freedoms by Patrick Volkerding?
Come on, the very reason we have different distros is BECAUSE they're different and does things differently.

Also, being a default is not the same as being hard-coded. There are some pretty fundamental differences between the two, actually. [/quote]
This is inadequate. Can't you see any difference between commercial ADS [externally submitted] and internal system architecture/technology [which is also free/libre]? how on earth are lenses even close to systemd or sysv init scripts? are you serious? I don't think so.

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RE[4]: It's just a lens
by Soulbender on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 22:29 in reply to "RE[3]: It's just a lens"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Is it even possible?

Yes.

how do you know

Because Unity is open source. One way or the other it will always be possible to remove that feature.

Can't you see any difference between commercial ADS [externally submitted] and internal system architecture/technology [which is also free/libre]?


In terms of choice they're not different. Every distro makes a number of different design and policy decisions. Being ad supported is just another decision and it's in no way against what Linux is all about.

how on earth are lenses even close to systemd or sysv init scripts?


They're all software.

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