Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Sep 2012 17:19 UTC
Legal "A leaked document from the CleanIT project shows just how far internal discussions in that initiative have drifted away from its publicly stated aims, as well as the most fundamental legal rules that underpin European democracy and the rule of law. The European Commission-funded CleanIT project claims that it wants to fight terrorism through voluntary self-regulatory measures that defends the rule of law. The initial meetings of the initiative, with their directionless and ill-informed discussions about doing 'something' to solve unidentified online 'terrorist' problems were mainly attended by filtering companies, who saw an interesting business opportunity. Their work has paid off, with numerous proposals for filtering by companies and governments, proposals for liability in case sufficiently intrusive filtering is not used, and calls for increased funding by governments of new filtering technologies." I'll just leave a link here to one of the most popular OSNews articles of all time.
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Fascism returns!!!
by the_trapper on Mon 24th Sep 2012 17:30 UTC
the_trapper
Member since:
2005-07-07

I knew Europe could do a better job at Internet fascism than the USA. Way to go guys!

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RE: Fascism returns!!!
by HangLoose on Mon 24th Sep 2012 18:09 in reply to "Fascism returns!!!"
HangLoose Member since:
2007-09-03

While in EU this sort of things need to be done behind close doors not to anger the population, in USA everything is done in name of "freedom" and "liberty". Openly! And everyone applauds it because peopled dont want to be like the "socialists from Europe".

Some of them:
-NSA Call database and warrant less surveillance
-USA Patriot/Homeland Security/etc Act
-Indiscriminate use of NSLs
-Plus the good old MPAA/RIAA/etc lobbying in congress.

Having said that, I am NOT defending EU if this horrendous piece of legislation ever sees the light of day. But before it comes in effect it is one more "attempt" that should be blocked by our representatives.

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RE[2]: Fascism returns!!!
by the_trapper on Mon 24th Sep 2012 21:27 in reply to "RE: Fascism returns!!!"
the_trapper Member since:
2005-07-07

Just to clarify, I was definitely being tongue-in-cheek with that. As a member of the United States armed forces it sickens me to no end what has come of our freedoms in America post 9/11.

It's even more frightening that Mitt Romney is actually a viable presidential candidate, and even if he loses the best we can hope for is 4 more years of Obama. Depressing times.

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RE[2]: Fascism returns!!!
by bitwelder on Tue 25th Sep 2012 07:45 in reply to "RE: Fascism returns!!!"
bitwelder Member since:
2010-04-27


Having said that, I am NOT defending EU if this horrendous piece of legislation ever sees the light of day. But before it comes in effect it is one more "attempt" that should be blocked by our representatives.

As in ACTA case, these kind of 'secret plans' always comes from inside European Commission. Typically when they have to face European Parliament (i.e. direct representatives of EU people) things starts to get ugly, as all questions are asked and all stones are turned (which is the reason those plans are kept secret until last minute... or later).

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RE[2]: Fascism returns!!!
by mistersoft on Tue 25th Sep 2012 15:19 in reply to "RE: Fascism returns!!!"
mistersoft Member since:
2011-01-05

Perfect response!
I think we all totally knew The Trapper was being ironic.
but perfect response anyway.

--To be honest, from my point of view I wish that so knowingly, so willfully even undermining our supposedly democratic processes ought to be a criminal offence!--

"incitement to bypass current legislature" or something. the people behind this ought to face such charges, t'were it possible. "IMHO"

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RE[2]: Fascism returns!!!
by ilovebeer on Wed 26th Sep 2012 16:44 in reply to "RE: Fascism returns!!!"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

While in EU this sort of things need to be done behind close doors not to anger the population, in USA everything is done in name of "freedom" and "liberty". Openly! And everyone applauds it because peopled dont want to be like the "socialists from Europe".

Some of them:
-NSA Call database and warrant less surveillance
-USA Patriot/Homeland Security/etc Act
-Indiscriminate use of NSLs
-Plus the good old MPAA/RIAA/etc lobbying in congress.

So basically you don't know anything about the American public. I don't think you could have wrote that any more backwards.

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RE: Fascism returns!!!
by Alfman on Tue 25th Sep 2012 13:47 in reply to "Fascism returns!!!"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

the_trapper,

"I knew Europe could do a better job at Internet fascism than the USA. Way to go guys!"

Maybe the EU is just doing a worse job at keeping secrets?

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