Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Sep 2012 22:34 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It's going to be a rough month for what was once one of the most successful smartphone companies in the world. Between all the Android and iOS violence, it's easy to forget there's this Canadian company which was still growing its userbase every month. However, it's expected the company will lose subscribers for the very first time.
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RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo
by MOS6510 on Tue 25th Sep 2012 15:38 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by NuxRo"
MOS6510
Member since:
2011-05-12

So in summary:
* You say you posted an outdated article, although Wikipedia still claims the Dell Venue is the only allowed phone.

* What you claim and what the government does doesn't say anything about iPhone (or any other phone, including Android ones) security.

* Government issued phones don't offer the user any personal security or privacy advantages, only disadvantages.

I conclude it was another piece of anti-Apple FUD once again based on very dodgy logic and strange assumptions.

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RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo
by TM99 on Tue 25th Sep 2012 16:53 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo"
TM99 Member since:
2012-08-26

So in summary:
* You say you posted an outdated article, although Wikipedia still claims the Dell Venue is the only allowed phone.


Wikipedia, that bastion of peer-reviewed scholarly research?

* What you claim and what the government does doesn't say anything about iPhone (or any other phone, including Android ones) security.


Security is one of the selling points of RIM Blackberries. Government agencies know a hell of a lot more about 'security' than you.

* Government issued phones don't offer the user any personal security or privacy advantages, only disadvantages.


Irrelevant. This point was already dismissed by another user.

I conclude it was another piece of anti-Apple FUD once again based on very dodgy logic and strange assumptions.


Again, though this apparently has to be repeated ad nauseum with regards to anything 'negative' concerning Apple these days, I have used Apple products since the 1970's. In the last ten years, things have dramatically changed with them both corporately and with those who pyschologically 'love' them. Deal with it.

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RE[8]: Comment by NuxRo
by Laurence on Tue 25th Sep 2012 21:15 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


Security is one of the selling points of RIM Blackberries. Government agencies know a hell of a lot more about 'security' than you.

I really wish that were true, but typically governments attract:

1/ high paid consultants that don't really give a shit whether their solution works as they wont be supporting it once their job is done, and

2/ underpaid permanent staff who aren't bright enough to work in the private sector, let alone consult.

Obviously this is a huge generalisation, but I dismay at the way how IT is handled in government projects.

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RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo
by Laurence on Tue 25th Sep 2012 21:11 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

So in summary:
* You say you posted an outdated article, although Wikipedia still claims the Dell Venue is the only allowed phone.

For all we know, Wikipedia was probably written based off that article.


* Government issued phones don't offer the user any personal security or privacy advantages, only disadvantages.

You're getting carried away with yourself now. You didn't even know about the Dell phones until today, much less know details about their security. So to make the claims you're now, you'd have to based them on 100% pure bias and paranoia.


I conclude it was another piece of anti-Apple FUD once again based on very dodgy logic and strange assumptions.

anti-apple or not. You can't then take an even more extreme view point with completely made up facts about a handset you've never seen and its intentions to spy on you to your employers. That's taking FUD to a whole new level!

Somewhere in this discussion there's a sane middle ground, but I fear we're beyond ever reaching it.

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