Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Sep 2012 22:34 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It's going to be a rough month for what was once one of the most successful smartphone companies in the world. Between all the Android and iOS violence, it's easy to forget there's this Canadian company which was still growing its userbase every month. However, it's expected the company will lose subscribers for the very first time.
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RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo
by MOS6510 on Tue 25th Sep 2012 15:46 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by NuxRo"
MOS6510
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2011-05-12

I reacted to:
Despite the desire to hop on the Apple bandwagon, iPhones are not allowed for usage.

That security?


So it was not I that brought up the iPhone.

All smart phones are tracked in some or multiple ways. The goverment wants to track it their way, so they modified a Dell Venue. This motivates someone, somehow, that iPhones are not secure.

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RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo
by TM99 on Tue 25th Sep 2012 17:00 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo"
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2012-08-26

Yes, I brought up iPhones because currently they are the 'cool' phones that every one from corporate to academia to government agencies want to use in place of more secure and frankly better & cheaper products.

Funny that a single negative mention of anything Apple set you off on a tirade to defend them as if it was a personal attack on yourself. Psychologically, this is akin to religious beliefs and fundamentalism.

http://www.psfk.com/2011/05/secrets-of-the-superbrands-how-apple-pr...

As I pointed out before, I neither 'love' nor 'hate' any brand - Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, Google, etc. I recognize the good and the bad. I will level criticism when deserved at all, and if there is praise, I will give that as well. I personally have not found much reason to give praise for Apple's corporate behavior in the last decade. Again, deal with it.

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RE[8]: Comment by NuxRo
by MOS6510 on Tue 25th Sep 2012 17:26 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

A tirade? From me? I posted a single link, which wasn't a tirade either, and didn't add any personal comment to it.

Yes, BlackBerries are secure too, that's why governments don't like them. They don't like iPhones or Android phones that haven't been prepared by them.

It has nothing to do with which device has good, the best or the worst security. A government wants a phone they can get access to if the user forgets his password or doesn't want them to. Using an Android phone, being Open Source, they can create a favorable situations without needing the help of RIM, Apple or anyone else.

Any other reason is just filler. If you have their data they always want to be able to control it.

Including backdoors should make these phones less secure even. If the goverment cannuse them hackers can exploit them.

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RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo
by Laurence on Tue 25th Sep 2012 21:02 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I reacted to:
Despite the desire to hop on the Apple bandwagon, iPhones are not allowed for usage.

That security?


So it was not I that brought up the iPhone.

Ahh sorry yes. My mistake.

To be honest I didn't think his post was arguing that iPhones were less secure and Android. Just that the government haven't reacted to employees pressure to support iOS just yet.

Having worked for the government in the past, I've seen first hand how glacial things move. Often with superior technology inexplicitly passed over.


All smart phones are tracked in some or multiple ways. The goverment wants to track it their way, so they modified a Dell Venue. This motivates someone, somehow, that iPhones are not secure.

I think you're drawing several false conclusions there. Mainly the assumption that the Dell phones are modified to make it easier for the government to snoop. That's just plain silly as there's a whole plethora of strict checks that applicants have to pass before they're employed in positions like the DOJ. The security on the Dell phones would almost certainly be preventing data getting lost.

Plus the government doesn't need to hack Android to snoop anyway: employees e-mails would be sent via their mail servers anyway and any phone conversation can easily be tapped.

I can understand a healthy distrust when it comes to matter of security, but I think you're boarding on tin-hats with your Dell allegations. As I said before, having worked in IT for the government in the past (albeit the British gov) and have actively worked on projects regarding securing confidential data and it's distribution. So the official reports on the DOJ Dell's seem reasonable to me based on the experience and i've had projects I've worked on.

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RE[8]: Comment by NuxRo
by MOS6510 on Wed 26th Sep 2012 06:19 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

There is nothing unreasonable about DOJ and their Dell phones, I just object against the notion that because they use an Android based phone Android's security is top notch and the iPhone's thus isn't.

I recently spoke with my Dell account manager and he told me they didn't sell any tablets or phones anymore and when they did even he told customers not to buy them, because they were that bad. But apparently they sell them in the U.S.

Considering no one buys these phones when you do see someone using one (s)he statistically has a high probability of being an important government type.

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