Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Sep 2012 22:34 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It's going to be a rough month for what was once one of the most successful smartphone companies in the world. Between all the Android and iOS violence, it's easy to forget there's this Canadian company which was still growing its userbase every month. However, it's expected the company will lose subscribers for the very first time.
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RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo
by Laurence on Tue 25th Sep 2012 21:02 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by NuxRo"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

I reacted to:
Despite the desire to hop on the Apple bandwagon, iPhones are not allowed for usage.

That security?


So it was not I that brought up the iPhone.

Ahh sorry yes. My mistake.

To be honest I didn't think his post was arguing that iPhones were less secure and Android. Just that the government haven't reacted to employees pressure to support iOS just yet.

Having worked for the government in the past, I've seen first hand how glacial things move. Often with superior technology inexplicitly passed over.


All smart phones are tracked in some or multiple ways. The goverment wants to track it their way, so they modified a Dell Venue. This motivates someone, somehow, that iPhones are not secure.

I think you're drawing several false conclusions there. Mainly the assumption that the Dell phones are modified to make it easier for the government to snoop. That's just plain silly as there's a whole plethora of strict checks that applicants have to pass before they're employed in positions like the DOJ. The security on the Dell phones would almost certainly be preventing data getting lost.

Plus the government doesn't need to hack Android to snoop anyway: employees e-mails would be sent via their mail servers anyway and any phone conversation can easily be tapped.

I can understand a healthy distrust when it comes to matter of security, but I think you're boarding on tin-hats with your Dell allegations. As I said before, having worked in IT for the government in the past (albeit the British gov) and have actively worked on projects regarding securing confidential data and it's distribution. So the official reports on the DOJ Dell's seem reasonable to me based on the experience and i've had projects I've worked on.

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RE[8]: Comment by NuxRo
by MOS6510 on Wed 26th Sep 2012 06:19 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by NuxRo"
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2011-05-12

There is nothing unreasonable about DOJ and their Dell phones, I just object against the notion that because they use an Android based phone Android's security is top notch and the iPhone's thus isn't.

I recently spoke with my Dell account manager and he told me they didn't sell any tablets or phones anymore and when they did even he told customers not to buy them, because they were that bad. But apparently they sell them in the U.S.

Considering no one buys these phones when you do see someone using one (s)he statistically has a high probability of being an important government type.

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RE[9]: Comment by NuxRo
by Laurence on Wed 26th Sep 2012 07:05 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by NuxRo"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I just object against the notion that because they use an Android based phone Android's security is top notch and the iPhone's thus isn't.

That's fine. I don't have a problem with that. I objected with the bit where you accuse the government of only engineering bespoke phones so they can spy on their employees. That claim is completely baseless.


I recently spoke with my Dell account manager and he told me they didn't sell any tablets or phones anymore and when they did even he told customers not to buy them, because they were that bad. But apparently they sell them in the U.S.

You're comparing apples to oranges there as the DOJ phones aren't the same handsets as the consumer devices.


Considering no one buys these phones when you do see someone using one (s)he statistically has a high probability of being an important government type.

True, but there's far easier ways to find out if someone is an important government type than trying to extrapolate the statistical probability based on their preferred mobile phone.


I can understand why the point you're making about Apple. But you're over compensating by spreading FUD about a Dell handset you've never seen - much less have any idea about.

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