Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Sep 2012 22:34 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It's going to be a rough month for what was once one of the most successful smartphone companies in the world. Between all the Android and iOS violence, it's easy to forget there's this Canadian company which was still growing its userbase every month. However, it's expected the company will lose subscribers for the very first time.
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RE[9]: Comment by NuxRo
by Laurence on Wed 26th Sep 2012 07:05 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by NuxRo"
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I just object against the notion that because they use an Android based phone Android's security is top notch and the iPhone's thus isn't.

That's fine. I don't have a problem with that. I objected with the bit where you accuse the government of only engineering bespoke phones so they can spy on their employees. That claim is completely baseless.

I recently spoke with my Dell account manager and he told me they didn't sell any tablets or phones anymore and when they did even he told customers not to buy them, because they were that bad. But apparently they sell them in the U.S.

You're comparing apples to oranges there as the DOJ phones aren't the same handsets as the consumer devices.

Considering no one buys these phones when you do see someone using one (s)he statistically has a high probability of being an important government type.

True, but there's far easier ways to find out if someone is an important government type than trying to extrapolate the statistical probability based on their preferred mobile phone.

I can understand why the point you're making about Apple. But you're over compensating by spreading FUD about a Dell handset you've never seen - much less have any idea about.

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RE[10]: Comment by NuxRo
by MOS6510 on Wed 26th Sep 2012 08:11 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by NuxRo"
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I'm not spreading FUD, because that would make no sense regarding government issued Dell phones. It's not like you can buy these yourself.

We know one fact: government Dell phones are modified security wise.

From this you can make some logical assumptions:

* They want to be able to get to the data on it
* They want to know where it is in case nobody does (like when someone goes missing, loses his phone or if it's stolen)
* They want to remote lock or wipe it
* What you can install on it is probably restricted

And there is nothing weird, strange or creepy about this. You can do this also with BlackBerries and iPhones, but the government wants to totally control this process and not want to be unable to wipe an iPhone because Apple is upgrading its servers. Nor do they want RIM, Apple or anyone else to have any data which hackers can get access to. They want to secure stuff themselves.

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RE[11]: Comment by NuxRo
by Laurence on Wed 26th Sep 2012 09:07 in reply to "RE[10]: Comment by NuxRo"
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Except that government do use BBs. And that wasn't your original point; you were harping on about big brother watching over it's employees.

Getting to the crux of the argument:

Have you not thought that the only reason they don't support iOS might be because they're just /that/ far behind on current tech?

Or maybe it's because Android / Dell and RIM offer cheaper deals than Apple?

All this talk about x supports y and is better than z because (and again, calling on my experience with working on IT projects for the government), govs are cheap skates who will opt for budget solutions without any foresight about how much more expensive those solutions might turn out in the long run. They're also epically slow at adopting the latest technology.

Though criticisms aside, once you factor in the number of employees in question, it might still work out cheaper building a bespoke Android handset that costs ~£250 per user than buying an "off the shelf" iPhone which could cost them twice that.

Either way, we're both just speculating and assuming.

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