Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Sep 2012 02:57 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Right now, the mobile wars have just two major combatants: Apple's iOS and Google's Android. Nokia could yet make Windows Phone a serious third player, but there are also a few more minor actors with the potential to disrupt the market. Jolla is the most mysterious of those players, which also include Firefox OS and Open WebOS. Jolla (a Finnish word for a small sailing boat) arose from the ashes of Nokia and Intel's MeeGo project, canned in favour of Microsoft's mobile OS. The Linux-based OS has not been shown off yet, but Jolla has already scored a deal with China's top phone distributor, DPhone. The first Jolla device is due later this year, so to find out more I spoke with the company's chief executive, ex-Nokian Jussi Hurmola." Please let Jolla succeed. Pretty please with sugar on top. The industry needs this. Please.
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Phones and data gathering
by flypig on Wed 26th Sep 2012 10:59 UTC
flypig
Member since:
2005-07-13

The thing that shocks me is how utterly unusable Android is without a Google account. The OS practically locks you out until you log in.

I can understand why having all of your actions identifiably channelled through Google is good for Google, but I don't think this should be a requirement for a functional device. At the moment, it's just a Trojan Horse.

However, an important question for me would be whether Jolla is an improvement on this front. At the moment it's not clear, but I'd hope its Maemo heritage would make data collection less likely. Jussi Hurmola's comments about the Cloud in the article don't bode well though.

I'd be interested to know if the iPhone is any better.

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RE: Phones and data gathering
by Neolander on Wed 26th Sep 2012 13:59 in reply to "Phones and data gathering"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Depends on what you call "unusable". The only task for which I have found a Google account to be absolutely necessary on Android is installing stuff from Google Play, and on this front they are on par with Apple's App Store offering.

However, what is highly annoying on Android is that when you do link the phone to your Google account, if you do not want it to leak lots of personal information to Google servers, you have to hunt obscure privacy settings all around the system apps. There is no centralized option to state "hands off my personal data !".

I don't know if Apple are any better on this front, I think I have heard somewhere that they do not even provide a way to opt out of personal monitoring on iOS, as is possible but painful on Android, but I don't know if it is true or not.

Edited 2012-09-26 14:00 UTC

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RE[2]: Phones and data gathering
by Alfman on Wed 26th Sep 2012 16:18 in reply to "RE: Phones and data gathering"
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2011-01-28

Personally what I find exceptionally annoying is the lack of control over application privacy settings. At least the installation shows us what those settings are, but it's all or nothing. A user should be able to install an application without loosing control over privacy.

This is such an obvious shortcoming that we have to conclude google deliberately designed it to remove a user's choice in the matter. This is decidedly evil IMHO.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I don't know if Apple are any better on this front, I think I have heard somewhere that they do not even provide a way to opt out of personal monitoring on iOS, as is possible but painful on Android, but I don't know if it is true or not.


They are worse, because until version 6, iOS allowed access to your personal data to all applications.

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RE: Phones and data gathering
by ichi on Wed 26th Sep 2012 15:57 in reply to "Phones and data gathering"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

The thing that shocks me is how utterly unusable Android is without a Google account.


Hardly shocking, I'd say, when the exact single thing that tells Android from AOSP is that it's integrated with all the Google services, and yet most OEMs are licensing Android rather than going with AOSP.

I wouldn't call it "utterly unusable", though, but you do miss a lot.

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RE[2]: Phones and data gathering
by flypig on Sat 29th Sep 2012 12:18 in reply to "RE: Phones and data gathering"
flypig Member since:
2005-07-13

I know this is an old story now, but I thought it was worth coming back to explain what I meant by 'utterly unusable'.

Hardly shocking, I'd say, when the exact single thing that tells Android from AOSP is that it's integrated with all the Google services, and yet most OEMs are licensing Android rather than going with AOSP.

I agree, it's obvious from Google's point of view, but not from mine. There's no reason most of the Google installed apps (maps, calendar, free apps on Google Play, etc.) need a Google account.

I wouldn't call it "utterly unusable", though, but you do miss a lot.

The new tablet I received recently wouldn't allow access to any of the Google services, including maps and calendar. This might sound obvious, but there's no reason why this should have been the case. I couldn't install any new software, even free software. Some of the third party applications that came with the device, such as Glowball ( http://www.tegrazone.com/games/glowball ) required a Google account. Why does a graphics tech demo require a Google account?!

Polaris Office and the web browser worked and are useful (without the ability to install Flash, of course). So, I agree 'utterly unusable' is hyperbole, but frankly there was no point me keeping the device unless I was going to sign in to Google (or install a different OS). No ordinary person would keep such a device without logging in.

Apologies for returning to such an old thread.

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