Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Oct 2012 18:23 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless After a few months of relative silence and vagueness, we're finally getting something tangible from Jolla, the promising mobile phone company which came forth from former Nokia employees. It's ambitious - they're not just going to create a mobile operating system, not just a mobile phone, but an entire ecosystem, including cloud services and data centres. At its heart? The beautiful city of Hong Kong. The prime target market? China.
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sort of open
by PieterGen on Tue 2nd Oct 2012 21:44 UTC
PieterGen
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2012-01-13

What I read, the OS will only be partly open...bummer. bndustry. "Licensed to industry" indicates closed source, open to community participation indicates some sort if openness. We'll see !

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RE: sort of open
by leech on Tue 2nd Oct 2012 22:16 in reply to "sort of open"
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2006-01-10

Well, the problem with all of these "Open" platforms is that they can't ever truly say it's an Open platform, just like most Linux installations aren't 100% open source. Drivers are the main issue. A lot of the drivers for mobile devices simply can't be open sourced (for example, GSM stuff that doesn't really belong to the manufacturers.)

I don't have a problem with closed source drivers. My problem is from closed source applications. I think for the most part all of the default apps should be open source. At least then if you lose support from the manufacturer, you can still update the base OS of the device, by which I mean the base install, not necessarily things like the kernel, etc.

Jolla has some awesome potential, but I think at this point the pick up rate for it will be slower than if Nokia hadn't been idiotic and let Elop's memo and announcement slip out... All but killing a project that had immense potential and tons of big corporate backing.

The problem is the same issue that 'Desktop Linux' has. People can't really say "it's so hard to use" anymore. Hell Windows 7 looks like and functions like a KDE4 clone (which is funny since earlier versions of KDE were an attempt at cloning Windows, but it started to look / act much better). The real reason 'Desktop Linux' hasn't had it's 'year' is because of the applications.

Way too many people already have a large library of software that doesn't work in Linux, or if they even have a native version, most companies make a person repurchase it. It's going to be the same with a new mobile platform, so many people have already sunk some cabbage into the mobile OS that they use most. People aren't going to want to repay for their fart apps!

Some sort of way to hook into the various app stores would be awesome. Unfortunately I don't see that happening...

I do think there needs to be a third major player though (I don't and probably never will count WPx).

Go, Jolla go!

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v RE[2]: sort of open
by kurkosdr on Wed 3rd Oct 2012 13:58 in reply to "RE: sort of open"
RE: sort of open
by gan17 on Tue 2nd Oct 2012 22:20 in reply to "sort of open"
gan17 Member since:
2008-06-03

We probably won't see a mobile OS with the same "open-ness" as your regular Linux distro for quite a few years. At least until the market gets saturated enough that handsets stop evolving at the current rate. A fully open-source OS (think something like OpenBSD) is probably impossible outside niche sectors (think Geeksphone).

Edited 2012-10-02 22:26 UTC

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RE[2]: sort of open
by shmerl on Wed 3rd Oct 2012 01:05 in reply to "RE: sort of open"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

If you mean drivers wise - who knows how long it'll take. If you mean regular software - it's here already. Nemo and PlasmaActive are based on the same core as Jolla's work - i.e. Mer. And they are fully open (again, besides hardware side of the issue).

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RE: sort of open
by Neolander on Wed 3rd Oct 2012 02:47 in reply to "sort of open"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

What I read, the OS will only be partly open...bummer. bndustry. "Licensed to industry" indicates closed source, open to community participation indicates some sort if openness. We'll see !

Perhaps we can expect an Android-like development model, where the core project is open-source (though not necessarily under open governance) but all drivers and other hardware abstraction layers are closed-source.

That would seem like a necessity on ARM anyway, since the architecture is largely nonstandard and few SoC manufacturers if any publicly disclose their chipset's specs. At best you get something like Ti's OMAPs where TRMs are publicly distributed, but some parts of them (typically GPU specs) are lacunar or missing as they are licensed from someone else. At worst it's something like Qualcomm where hardware projects like Raspberry Pi have to put community pressure on the chip manufacturer if they want even such a lacking TRM.

Edited 2012-10-03 02:51 UTC

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RE[2]: sort of open
by shmerl on Wed 3rd Oct 2012 03:43 in reply to "RE: sort of open"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Mer is openly governed and that's not going away.

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by dsmogor on Wed 3rd Oct 2012 13:14 in reply to "RE: sort of open"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Quallcomm is quite aggressive patent wise. The hell will freeze before their legal department passes releasing specs that reveal implementation techniques, that would expose them.
Nevertheless I hope that nouveau like project will spring out sooner or later. That will of course require one SoC generation to live longer than a couple of months.

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RE: sort of open
by redsteakraw on Wed 3rd Oct 2012 14:41 in reply to "sort of open"
redsteakraw Member since:
2009-09-22

It could be GPLv3 and licensed to vendors that want to lock down the code. I personally think that Commercial license of GPLv3 code is the best option. Id Software did that with the latest Doom 3 source release.

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