Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Oct 2012 21:18 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption As it turns out, new Verizon customers (although there are reports existing customers are getting notified too) have 30 days to opt out of something really nasty: Verizon will sell your browsing history and location history to marketers. Apparently, AT&T does something similar. Doesn't matter what phone - iOS, Android, anything. Incredibly scummy and nasty. I quickly checked my own Dutch T-Mobile terms, and they don't seem to be doing this.
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RE[3]: Wow...
by darknexus on Tue 9th Oct 2012 23:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wow..."
darknexus
Member since:
2008-07-15

Well honestly I don't know for sure, but my Sprint agreement doesn't mention anything about selling my browsing or location data. I have to take them on faith else I won't be able to have any cellphone service if I don't wish to be tracked.

Correction, you won't be able to have any internet service, period. The fact is, your ISP could be selling information to marketers too. Come to that, your phone company could be selling information about the calls you make, and it doesn't matter if we're talking about a cel phone or a land line. Let's all face facts, in this interconnected world we're living in, we will never have complete privacy. If you want to keep something private, it's best not to even put it out there or, if you absolutely must send it through the internets, encrypt it. Unless you have complete and total control over everything from the origin to the destination endpoints (and you never will) your privacy doesn't exist. It never did, once telephones became widespread.

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RE[4]: Wow...
by Morgan on Tue 9th Oct 2012 23:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Wow..."
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Once again, it comes down to how much you trust the service provider. My Comcast agreement explicitly states that they will not sell or otherwise use my browsing and location information outside of a law enforcement subpoena or warrant. I have to believe them if I want to have a home internet connection; as of this news piece I'm certainly not going with AT&T DSL. Once again, Comcast could be lying to me but at least I have it on paper that they don't track and sell info. That's something that can be held over their head in court if necessary.

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RE[5]: Wow...
by Alfman on Wed 10th Oct 2012 03:26 in reply to "RE[4]: Wow..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Morgan,

"Once again, it comes down to how much you trust the service provider."

Voted you up...unless all your traffic is encrypted, you have to trust your ISP & it's partners.

I attempted to play devil's advocate and find some dirt on comcast, but I didn't find much recently; I did find this tidbit a decade ago however:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2002/02/13/comcast-p...

"Comcast, the nation's third-largest cable company, acknowledged this week that it is recording which Web pages each customer visits as part of a technology overhaul that it hopes will save money and speed up its network. The company said the move was not intended to infringe on privacy."

However amid political criticism, they've officially stopped tracking web requests.


There has been more recent criticism about comcast's use of DPI to block legit customer traffic, the feds intervened in that case, but it's arguable whether that fits under the classification of a "privacy" violation? It's kind of similar to having a mail man use some kind of xray to inspect the documents inside an envelope to determine the mail's priority. On the other hand, some people will argue the ISP should be entitled to shape traffic based on it's contents. My own view is that the ISP is to blame if they are over subscribing their service in the first place.

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RE[5]: Wow...
by ilovebeer on Wed 10th Oct 2012 04:03 in reply to "RE[4]: Wow..."
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Once again, it comes down to how much you trust the service provider. My Comcast agreement explicitly states that they will not sell or otherwise use my browsing and location information outside of a law enforcement subpoena or warrant. I have to believe them if I want to have a home internet connection; as of this news piece I'm certainly not going with AT&T DSL. Once again, Comcast could be lying to me but at least I have it on paper that they don't track and sell info. That's something that can be held over their head in court if necessary.

If people are that concerned about their privacy then trust shouldn't even be a factor. All of these privacy policies are worded in a way that leaves backdoors open and subject to change at any time without prior notice (ie: they'll tell you after the fact). Also, they're not going to give you ammunition to use against them in court. In theory those privacy policies are a nice little security blanket, but in practice they're usually worth little more than the actual paper they're printed on after you get through the wording and fine print.

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RE[5]: Wow...
by JAlexoid on Thu 11th Oct 2012 08:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Wow..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Does it say your browsing/location information or personally identifiable browsing/location information? If it's the latter, then be sure that they are.

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