Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 10th Oct 2012 22:37 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Donating to software projects - or, more accurately, open source projects. It's hardly new, it's hardly rare, and I'm sure most of us have donated at some point. That's probably why Canonical has opened Ubuntu up for donations - but with a twist.
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RE[3]: My Opinion is is Mine.
by r_a_trip on Thu 11th Oct 2012 19:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My Opinion is is Mine."
r_a_trip
Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm sorry Lucas, but you are looking at this with heavily MS colored glasses. As such, you can only see diversity as fragmentation.

From a FOSS community member I expect a bit more. We should know better than trying to press Linux in an MS mold.

The diversity of Linux doesn't seem to matter on tablets, routers, super computers, wrist watches, space stations and a plethora of other things. It's just on the desktop that it fights an uphill battle against the incumbent OS supplier.

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ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

I'm sorry Lucas, but you are looking at this with heavily MS colored glasses. As such, you can only see diversity as fragmentation.


You can find plenty of posts from Linux advocates decrying fragmentation.


The diversity of Linux doesn't seem to matter on tablets, routers, super computers, wrist watches, space stations and a plethora of other things.


Tablets are all using the same Android base, even Kindle and Nook tablets. So they basically use the same distro with some API and UI differences, they aren't fighting each other over basics like sound APIs or program folder locations. Android tablets also have a proprietary friendly software deployment system. Linux distros are still built with the assumption that everything is open source.

Servers and space stations are managed by experts and don't have the same requirements as consumer devices. Wristwatches and toys only require a very slim command line Linux base that doesn't need to be updated.


It's just on the desktop that it fights an uphill battle against the incumbent OS supplier.


Having hundreds of distros results in redundant work. That's an inescapable fact. Now if all those distros had a specific purpose it might be justifiable but the vast majority are general purpose desktops.

The incumbent OS supplier already dropped the ball with Vista and Linux wasn't there to return. Windows 8 won't be any different.

The problem is not Windows, it is Linux. The desktop isn't ready for mainstream use and is in fact too late for the party. Android with a mouse and keyboard will be as close as it gets.

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RE[5]: My Opinion is is Mine.
by r_a_trip on Fri 12th Oct 2012 13:38 in reply to "RE[4]: My Opinion is is Mine."
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

The fragmentation is not in the number of Distro's. All distributions are in essence (re)packaging of upstream code (in that sense there is only minimal duplication of effort). They are all source compatible.

The fragmentation sits at the library level. There is no common target base, but this is a failure in consensus and collaboration, not in the number of distro's. Of course killing all distro's but one would solve this problem instantly (nobody is confused about the direction under a dictator), but it would also destroy the beneficial variety in the distro ecosphere.

That Linux doesn't make significant inroads when MS falters, isn't because e.g. Ubuntu isn't ready for the desktop. It's because Linux isn't used to push affordable and believable desktop systems to the consumer. There are a few vendors like ZaReason, System76 with halfway comparable systems to Windows machines, but you also pay a premium for them. Then we have some small community projects like KDE's vivaldi tablet or Linux Mint's mintBox.

The systems of dedicated sellers like ZaReason and System76 are overpriced from a consumer perspective. The smaller community projects have the right idea with smaller, more affordable machines, but they don't have reach.

If a systems manufacturer/vendor could produce something like a mintBox, be it x86 or ARM based, complete with a (modest) screen and mouse + keyboard for an affordable price and push this in the market as the affordable, hassle free Everyman's PC, I think it could have a shot. But it would need to be marketed right and the vendor should have a long term plan.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

When the same effort is repeated countless times, to create identical functionality. It is waste of resources and leads to fragmentation.

Edited 2012-10-12 13:13 UTC

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