Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Oct 2012 11:35 UTC
Apple Surprise, surprise - Apple, by default, tracks web browsing behaviour and location to better serve you ads. You have to specifically opt out of this tracking per individual iOS device that you own. Now we know why Apple has no problem with turning on 'Do Not Track' and not accepting tracking cookies by default: it has no effect on them whatsoever, because iOS 6 has its own independent user tracking mechanisms. Unlike what the Apple pundits claim, it's got nothing to do with respect for user privacy at all. Well paint me red and call me a girl scout: company selling ads tracks user behaviour. Shocker, huh?
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RE: Selective tech amnesia
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 12th Oct 2012 12:09 UTC in reply to "Selective tech amnesia"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Yup, but ask yourself: how many users are aware of this? Heck, how many people here were aware of the fact Apple tracks you in the first place? With all the talk from the Apple pundits about how Apple hates tracking and about how tracking is evil and about how Apple is so into protecting user's privacy, you'd think Apple wouldn't do this.

And yet they do. That is news to me, and considering how this story has been around the web these past few days, it's news to a lot of people. It puts to rest all those silly arguments about Apple turning on DNT by default and blocking cookies because they respect privacy - they only do it because it doesn't affect them and because it hurts competitors.

If Apple really cared about privacy, they would turn off their own tracking by default, instead of forcing you to opt out every iOS device you own. It delightfully exposes the hypocrisy of people like Gruber and Siegler.

Edited 2012-10-12 12:10 UTC

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steventroughtonsmith Member since:
2012-05-06

iOS has an ad system; you see ads in apps. The two options are:

• See ads that have absolutely no relevance to you
• See ads that you might actually like

There is no utopic third option.

I'll keep tracking on, thank you very much.

(Also note that iAd is only available in a handful of countries: USA, UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Japan, and Canada.)

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I prefer tracking too. I'd rather have relevant ads than irrelevant ads. If I don't want to be tracked, I load up a private tab.

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RE[3]: Selective tech amnesia
by TechGeek on Fri 12th Oct 2012 17:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Selective tech amnesia"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

Here's a crazy idea. Instead of tracking me everywhere I go, give me a list of topics and let me choose which ones interest me. Then I don't have too much of my personal info out there in the ether and they still get to send me ads. I know, I know, the idea is just crazy.

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RE[3]: Selective tech amnesia
by WorknMan on Fri 12th Oct 2012 21:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Selective tech amnesia"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

• See ads that have absolutely no relevance to you
• See ads that you might actually like

There is no utopic third option.


Actually, there is - don't install apps with ads - or if you're rooted/jailbroken, install an ad blocker. Problem solved. Not that I want everything for free... I'll gladly pay for an app I like, if the developer gives me the option as an alternative to adware. If not? F**k 'em ;)

For me, it's not the tracking that pisses me off, but the advertising; the only reason they want to track you is so they can serve you up relevant ads. But if you can eliminate most/all the ways they have to advertise to you, then you essentially cut them off at the knees, and all their tracking is a waste of time. I have an ad-blocker installed on my Android phone. Thus, I get zero ads, so they're more than welcome to waste their time tracking me. In fact, I hope they do ;)

Edited 2012-10-12 21:25 UTC

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

iOS has an ad system; you see ads in apps. The two options are:

• See ads that have absolutely no relevance to you
• See ads that you might actually like

Me? Like ads? What kind of fantasy land are you living in? Just seeing or even hearing an ad does nothing but piss me off. It's just another reason to never touch an Apple product again. They impressed and tempted me at one time a few years ago with Mac OS X, but damn, I'm glad I've never bought any of their hardware. They make the old, super-monopolistic Microsoft of the 90s look like nothing more than an annoying little flea.

Not that Microsoft isn't still playing at their old games, but at least they seem to try to hide it and be subtle about it. The worst thing Microsoft's done recently is decide that with their godly powers all ARM machines shipping with Windows (read: virtually all of them) will be forbidden from running an OS that is not blessed by them. Apple... wow, the list goes on.

Apple is like the Microsoft of the 90s, but potentially much, much worse.

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RE[2]: Selective tech amnesia
by Headrush on Fri 12th Oct 2012 14:10 in reply to "RE: Selective tech amnesia"
Headrush Member since:
2006-01-03

It's also worth noting how many smart phones users couldn't care less about tracking for ad purposes.

The problem is users, even when informed don't know, don't care, or don't understand some of the implications by allowing companies and governments to use these tracking/snooping tools.

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RE[2]: Selective tech amnesia
by kovacm on Fri 12th Oct 2012 21:14 in reply to "RE: Selective tech amnesia"
kovacm Member since:
2010-12-16

Yup, but ask yourself: how many users are aware of this? Heck, how many people here were aware of the fact Apple tracks you in the first place? With all the talk from the Apple pundits about how Apple hates tracking and about how tracking is evil and about how Apple is so into protecting user's privacy, you'd think Apple wouldn't do this.

LOL!

tryo to listen interview with Eric Schmidt

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/1249127/events/1589787

and than come back to talk about privacy!! ;)

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RE[2]: Selective tech amnesia
by jessesmith on Sat 13th Oct 2012 00:57 in reply to "RE: Selective tech amnesia"
jessesmith Member since:
2010-03-11

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim Apple doesn't track people or that they are in support of privacy. In fact, given all the stories about tracking iDevices, backdoors and ads and such I would think it was pretty obvious Apple tracks its customers.

Still, some people miss it the first dozen times around so I guess it's good OSNews to joining the chorus in warning people about how private iOS is not.

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