Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Oct 2012 23:06 UTC
Internet & Networking "With the fate of our beloved internet economy allegedly at stake, perhaps it's a good time to examine what Do Not Track is. How did the standard came to be, what does it do, and how does it stand to change online advertising? Is it as innocuous as privacy advocates make it sound, or does it stand to jeopardize the free, ad-supported internet we've all come to rely on?" Do Not Track is inherently flawed because it gives people a false sense of security. Other than perhaps well-known and accountable sites, nobody's going to abide by it anyway. We don't need nonsense like DNT - we need to educate people about that 'private browsing' button. Everybody's already using it for porn anyway; shouldn't be hard to let people know what other things it can be used for.
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UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

Even if legally they must respect it, you have no way to prove whether a company did or did not.

That's why they allow you to report an unsolicited call, isn't it?
https://complaints.donotcall.gov/complaint/complaintcheck.aspx
I'm sure the government has just about any advertiser's number in their own database, so just about any sales call you get and notify them of they can probably easily track.

I do agree that the Do Not Call registry is not as good as it could be, because ANYTHING that is not considered advertisement (telemarketing) is allowed. Which unfortunately includes survey companies, charities and political organizations--but if you tell them not to call, they *should* listen (who knows if they will or not though).

But theoretically, a telemarketer *must* listen, because they're just opening themselves up to potential trouble if they don't and they end up calling back. I have received a grand total of One telemarketing call in the last year that I had my current phone and number, which was earlier this year (it was a Spanish-spoken recording). I immediately reported the number, not sure if it really had much of an effect or not (you can never tell), but I never heard from that number since. Then again, it's a cell phone and I don't give its number to everyone.

But by putting your number on the list, you are, in fact, making it directly available to the telemarketers... but really, they probably have every U.S. phone number there is anyway (probably buy them from phone companies, government organizations and other businesses), so what difference does it make, other than if you're on the list they have liability? The bad thing would be the "allowed" unsolicited callers buying the list and using it to conduct their business, but I really haven't got any political or survey calls either--except one survey call, to one of my Google Voice numbers, which I determined to be a company that does business with my bank. Called once, I didn't even know till half a month later because my phone never rang: they hung up as soon as GV asked them for their name.

My understanding is that the telemarketers are supposed to buy the list of numbers and obey it by adding all of the numbers to their database of numbers to NOT call. If they don't, they can get in trouble.

Edited 2012-10-13 00:54 UTC

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, here's the thing about the donotcall list. The scammers who are already doing illegal things, don't f'n care. The calls are routed through individual lines not tied through a buisness somehow ( skype??, burner cell phones?, forged Caller Id? I don't know). On calling back the number, I only ever get busy signals. I have one that has my number. I've reported each call to the FTC for the past year, but haven't got a response. Each time I also add it to a block list of numbers that simply don't ring, so they may be trying more than I actually realize.

I image a do not email list would work just as well for scammers.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

The scammers who are already doing illegal things, don't f'n care.

That's true, unfortunately, but it always was and always will be the case. No amount of government "regulation" will ever be capable of stopping all "illegal" activities. As for scammers using bogus CallerID data... it's possible. That information can easily be masked. If that's what's happening, well, you really were found by the wrong people.

In that case, probably nothing short of changing your phone number and making sure right from the start that it's not listed in the phone book is going to help. But if it got that bad, just changing your number would at least save your sanity... but at the cost of a possible fee and having to get everyone to update their records of your phone number.

It might be a massive PITA, but if it really has got that bad then the end result would be worth it.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Well I can tell you of at least ONE way they do it, and that is by using hacked PCs like a VPN connection to route their robodialers through as I had that happen to a former customer a few months back.

As for TFA nobody is talking about the rotting elephant in the room which is besides just being nosy and creepy their targeted ads DO NOT WORK as it seems to be infected with a case of the "OMG we're too late!" syndrome. Case in point just to have a fair and honest opinion when this first came up I decided to load a browser, in this case Pale Moon, which I would use instead of my Comodo Dragon when searching for parts at my shop with NO adblocking of ANY kind, just to see if the ads became really and truly targeted.

What did I find? they sure did...AFTER I had already bought the thing and didn't want it. I bought my netbook a year and change ago and haven't looked at netbooks since, I've been looking at SSDs pretty much constantly this past month. SSD reviews, benchmarks, flyers, you name it. so what do i get ads for? netbooks and ultrabooks, nothing but netbooks and ultrabooks.

So I'm sorry but not only is it sick and creepy and pervy to think some weirdo ad group is following my every move they can't even do anything useful with the fricking data! What is sad is the plain old fashioned ad emails I get from Tiger, NewEgg, and Amazon, royally stomp without them following me around like a stalker. All their emails do is "hey you bought this, people that bought this also often buy that, would you like to buy that? We have it on sale?" and wouldn't ya know it, I've actually bought the that that is on sale! Why yes I would like a CPU cooler that is designed to go with my 6 core and is on sale and had great reviews, thanks Tiger! Why yes I would like another pack of blank DVDs when its 30% off, thanks Amazon! Why sure Newegg, how could I resist that flash drive that's tiny and fits my keyring for only $9, thanks a bunch!

The old way worked just fine, this new way is pervy and sucks, so now its blocked with good old ABP and third site cookies cleared on exit. I don't care if you need to make money, heck i'll be happy to buy, just don't go pervy stalker on me.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

UltraZelda64,

"That's why they allow you to report an unsolicited call, isn't it?"

You are fortunate that you don't have a problem with unsolicited robo-calls, I don't even know how many people have problems with them besides me (both my mobile and landline get them)... I suspect that IF you did get lots of unsolicited calls to begin with, you'd probably find the do-not-call violation reporting useless, unfortunately.



"If they don't, they can get in trouble."

The trouble is they don't get in trouble.


Edit:
(quoted from another post)
"In that case, probably nothing short of changing your phone number and making sure right from the start that it's not listed in the phone book is going to help."


Well, mine isn't listed, and since hanging up/unsubscribing has never worked, I try to get to a live operator to get them to take me off their list, they usually hang up when they find out I want them to stop calling, but one of them told me "I cannot take you off the list, there isn't one". They must be literally going through phone permutations for a given area code.

Edited 2012-10-13 03:33 UTC

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