Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 15th Oct 2012 21:15 UTC, submitted by Arto Salmi
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Well, that escalated quickly. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this, but I think Nokia has just revealed that Symbian is dead - dead as in, no more development. In a comment on a feature request for Symbian in Nokia's bug tracker, the company writes: "Thank you for your improvement ideas, thus Symbian is in maintenance mode and no new features will be implement without extremely good reason (business case). We have written down your ideas for future development if there is a chance that new features will be released." This means Symbian Belle FP2 is the last Symbian version. Odd, because Symbian devices are still being sold.
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Dekonega
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2009-07-28

.., because Meego wasn't ready to be put in the chassis of the N97 and then the N9. The N9 run Symbian^3, a fusion of S60v5 and UIQ, which was better than the S60v5 the N97 run, but it still wasn't competitive. Then, when the WP8 deal happened, and Nokia finally had something to put int their high-end phones, Nokia wanted to keep Symbian^3 alive in order to have something to put in low-end phones.


The N9 doesn't run Symbian^3. The N9 has Meego/Harmattan which is like combination of UI of next-gen Maemo and the Meego base system. And it's a really nice smartphone. Tons of better than any existing Windows Phone, and would have been a very good competitor for iPhone.

Besides Windows Phone and iPhone are so last-gen. N9 is already next-gen device since it has no extra buttons, everything is controlled by touch based gestures (except powering on/off. Volume can be set with both buttons and gestures and both call volume, and application volume are separate).

While I understand where you were going with all that talk, I'm saying that Nokia did a horrible mistake by trusting Microsoft and even bigger mistake when they gamed all their bets with the Windows Phone only (instead of going with multiple OSes).

-Windows Phone has _less_ market share than Symbian currently has.
-Windows Phone has _less_ meaningful applications available than Symbian has.
-Windows Phone has _less_ devices available than Symbian has.
-Windows Phone has _less_ features than Symbian has.
-Windows Phone has _more_ restrictions on how you can or cannot write application for the platform.

And I want to tell people in self denial to honestly open their eyes and admit that usability in Windows Phone is even more horrible than what it is in the latest iteration of Symbian. Windows Phone _only looks_ nicer than Symbian. Windows Phone just wastes screen space for sake of aesthetic reasons. And font sizes don't make any sense since most are either too small or way too large. Not much information can be seen on a screen due that.

If I were a developer, there's no way I'd make investments to the Windows Phone platform. Unless Microsoft pays me before hand lump sum of money, and I'd get larger portion of the money than what they're currently willing to share with me.

Windows Phone call experience is horrible. The Most important task of the phone doesn't work properly in Windows Phone, and it's not pleasant to use.

It relates around the fact that Windows Phone has no true multitasking. And does only single vibrate in vibrate mode when a call is received, and battery status isn't continuously visible. No custom sounds for different types of notifications. No ringer profiles either.

Also all address book contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service (which is a enormous privacy violation imho). There just isn't local offline phone to computer sync option. And only one actual phone number per a contact can be added. You also cannot send or receive contacts as a csv file, or save contact to a SIM card.

Call history is at least 20 years behind everything else on a market, and you cannot filter calls into missed calls, received calls, dialled calls, recent calls, and so on. You cannot see call duration either. Call history doesn't group calls by contact either. You cannot see the time of call for calls older than one day.

And all this is just a peak of the iceberg. Windows Phone is going to sink, and it will sink faster harder and louder than the Symbian... Windows Phone at the moment is only kept alive by continuous artificial respiration in form of money Microsoft and Nokia are dumbing into it.

I already know that Windows Phone 8 will be a big failure. Microsoft already killed Windows Phone user base by not allowing existing customers to run all the new stuff, and now they're killing Windows Phone 8 before it has even shipped by not giving out SDK for the developers.

Let's just face the fact: Windows Phone is knee deep in the dead. Long time after Windows Phone died... Symbian will still be used world wide, even if it's not supported or developed forward by anyone.

Edited 2012-10-16 16:43 UTC

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

The N9 [...] is a really nice smartphone. Tons of better than any existing Windows Phone, and would have been a very good competitor for iPhone.
Besides Windows Phone and iPhone are so last-gen. N9 is already next-gen device since it has no extra buttons, everything is controlled by touch based gestures (except powering on/off. Volume can be set with both buttons and gestures and both call volume, and application volume are separate).
While I understand where you were going with all that talk, I'm saying that Nokia did a horrible mistake by trusting Microsoft and even bigger mistake when they gamed all their bets with the Windows Phone only (instead of going with multiple OSes).
-Windows Phone has _less_ market share than Symbian currently has.
-Windows Phone has _less_ meaningful applications available than Symbian has.

Meego in its shipping N9 form had many issues its faithful don't want to remember... http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-n9-2-en.shtml - and that's after enormous time & R&D it took (I stumbled once on comparison of Nokia and Apple budgets from 2 or 3 years back - Symbian division alone consumed more funds than the entire R&D of Apple... Symbian never even beeing, IIRC, the primary cash-cow of Nokia)

One of the problems with N9 - it was nothing more than iPhone wannabe (also that "no buttons" silliness - imagine the thought process at Nokia as ~"OK folks, we defended buttons and ridiculed iPhone when it came out; but it's doing great, despite having only one front button ...let's one-up them!"). But I'm afraid it will be the next Amiga myth (seems it's cool now to clung to the stretched-ipod-nano N9 ...myths about its sales numbers, and smooth experience of the OS)

If there's a place for third mobile ecosystem - then Microsoft is very likely the only one with enough clout, influence, resourced to pull it off.

But you clearly don't even know much about Nokia is doing - recently (under "the saboteur" Elop), S40 improved greatly, is now basically better than Symbian. And saying that Symbian has more meaningful apps than WP is a complete rubbish; the main problem with Symbian: people hardly even used it as a smartphone OS, the features were irrelevant.

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