Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Oct 2012 10:56 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Things ain't going well for Nokia. Their quarterly results are - again - a disaster, and Lumia sales have dropped 28% (50% if you look at just the US). Windows Phone 8 is really going to be a make-it-or-break-it kind of thing. If it doesn't go well, the company might consider going back to focussing on rubber boots.
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RE[2]: Comment by Loreia
by MOS6510 on Thu 18th Oct 2012 12:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Loreia"
MOS6510
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2011-05-12

Maybe they should also sell Android phones.

It's true it's not easy to be different with Android, but Nokia was a very strong phone brand. When in doubt what to buy and all things being equal the name "Nokia" should have made people chose it.

They could have been where Samsung is.

Why not sell S40 until it stops making money while producing Android and WP phones.

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RE[3]: Comment by Loreia
by cdude on Fri 19th Oct 2012 06:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Loreia"
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2008-09-21

Its far easier, and even possible at all, to be different with Android then with WP8. With WP8 you are even doomed at the hardware-level to follow Microsofts ruleset. Let alone the WP software where you not even have access to the code.

The Nokia brand is serious damaged at carrier, developer and partner level. Even at customers level what is why Nokia lost so much of there before loyal customer base. The markets where they are still strong are those where Lumia is not sold and where Symbian and S40 still rule the landscape. But since both are "burning" and since Nokia not cares at all about this markets (Meltimi canceled, Elops Nokia turn around from a global company to a one focused on north america, the Lumia only and everything else burned no-plan-B strategy) they are doomed to lose that too over time. Android, Bada and the likes are taking over low end too.

When that happened and S40 is phased out like the remaing Symbian and N9 sells then Nokia is down to a <2% market share company. To survive that they need to drastical shrink. Fire 6 out of 7 employees. This is going to happen soon. Prepare for way more Nokia mass-layoffs next days. Remaining talent gone, trust gone. The Lumia company may end in a garage with Elop doing the support, development, research and hardware himself.

Edited 2012-10-19 06:22 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Loreia
by Nelson on Fri 19th Oct 2012 06:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Loreia"
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2005-11-29

Its far easier, and even possible at all, to be different with Android then with WP8. With WP8 you are even doomed at the hardware-level to follow Microsofts ruleset. Let alone the WP software where you not even have access to the code.


I think with the Lumia range, especially this time around, Nokia has differentiated. There is wireless charging, a "PureMotion" display with a higher refresh rate and super sensitivity (You can use the screen with gloves on)

There's plenty of space in the Camera space to innovate. Look what Nokia has done with Optical Image Stabilization in the 920.

Nokia has plenty of value add in their hardware, without even touching on the fact that they have the best (in my opinion) mapping solution on the market with Nokia Maps.


The markets where they are still strong are those where Lumia is not sold and where Symbian and S40 still rule the landscape. But since both are "burning" and since Nokia not cares at all about this markets (Meltimi canceled, Elops Nokia turn around from a global company to a one focused on north america, the Lumia only and everything else burned no-plan-B strategy)


They just sold 6.5 million Asha Touch phones in a Quarter. That's some serious growth. It flies in the face of "Focused on North America".

I think Nokia can walk and chew gum at the same time. Do you think it is a bad idea to reenter the North American market? They did make some headway there. I think with WP8 (and being on Verizon, TMobile, ATT, and some smaller MVNOs) they will see modest sales.


they are doomed to lose that too over time. Android, Bada and the likes are taking over low end too.


Uh..Bada sales have collapsed. Last I heard Samsung was doing something with Bada and Tizen. I mean, come the fuck on, I don't really expect much from the company that writes TouchWiz. They simply suck at software.


When that happened and S40 is phased out like the remaing Symbian and N9 sells then Nokia is down to a


There is no indication of S40 being phased out. In fact, with Asha, they've doubled down on S40 and improved it in a big way. Asha phones even feature the Swipe UI that people liked from MeeGo.

Again, they sold 6.5 million of them in a Quarter. I think in a years time the Asha lineup will play a significant part in Nokia.

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RE[4]: Comment by Loreia
by MOS6510 on Fri 19th Oct 2012 10:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Loreia"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I think Nokia should care about S40. There are still a lot of people, even healthy male ones, that still use them and don't even want a smart phone.

If you call a lot a S40 phone or any dumb phone is probably a better tool than a smart phone. When it comes to making calls a dumb phone beats a smart phone on speed and battery life.

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