Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Oct 2012 10:56 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Things ain't going well for Nokia. Their quarterly results are - again - a disaster, and Lumia sales have dropped 28% (50% if you look at just the US). Windows Phone 8 is really going to be a make-it-or-break-it kind of thing. If it doesn't go well, the company might consider going back to focussing on rubber boots.
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RE[3]: Comment by Loreia
by cdude on Fri 19th Oct 2012 06:14 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Loreia"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21

Its far easier, and even possible at all, to be different with Android then with WP8. With WP8 you are even doomed at the hardware-level to follow Microsofts ruleset. Let alone the WP software where you not even have access to the code.

The Nokia brand is serious damaged at carrier, developer and partner level. Even at customers level what is why Nokia lost so much of there before loyal customer base. The markets where they are still strong are those where Lumia is not sold and where Symbian and S40 still rule the landscape. But since both are "burning" and since Nokia not cares at all about this markets (Meltimi canceled, Elops Nokia turn around from a global company to a one focused on north america, the Lumia only and everything else burned no-plan-B strategy) they are doomed to lose that too over time. Android, Bada and the likes are taking over low end too.

When that happened and S40 is phased out like the remaing Symbian and N9 sells then Nokia is down to a <2% market share company. To survive that they need to drastical shrink. Fire 6 out of 7 employees. This is going to happen soon. Prepare for way more Nokia mass-layoffs next days. Remaining talent gone, trust gone. The Lumia company may end in a garage with Elop doing the support, development, research and hardware himself.

Edited 2012-10-19 06:22 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Loreia
by Nelson on Fri 19th Oct 2012 06:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Loreia"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Its far easier, and even possible at all, to be different with Android then with WP8. With WP8 you are even doomed at the hardware-level to follow Microsofts ruleset. Let alone the WP software where you not even have access to the code.


I think with the Lumia range, especially this time around, Nokia has differentiated. There is wireless charging, a "PureMotion" display with a higher refresh rate and super sensitivity (You can use the screen with gloves on)

There's plenty of space in the Camera space to innovate. Look what Nokia has done with Optical Image Stabilization in the 920.

Nokia has plenty of value add in their hardware, without even touching on the fact that they have the best (in my opinion) mapping solution on the market with Nokia Maps.


The markets where they are still strong are those where Lumia is not sold and where Symbian and S40 still rule the landscape. But since both are "burning" and since Nokia not cares at all about this markets (Meltimi canceled, Elops Nokia turn around from a global company to a one focused on north america, the Lumia only and everything else burned no-plan-B strategy)


They just sold 6.5 million Asha Touch phones in a Quarter. That's some serious growth. It flies in the face of "Focused on North America".

I think Nokia can walk and chew gum at the same time. Do you think it is a bad idea to reenter the North American market? They did make some headway there. I think with WP8 (and being on Verizon, TMobile, ATT, and some smaller MVNOs) they will see modest sales.


they are doomed to lose that too over time. Android, Bada and the likes are taking over low end too.


Uh..Bada sales have collapsed. Last I heard Samsung was doing something with Bada and Tizen. I mean, come the fuck on, I don't really expect much from the company that writes TouchWiz. They simply suck at software.


When that happened and S40 is phased out like the remaing Symbian and N9 sells then Nokia is down to a


There is no indication of S40 being phased out. In fact, with Asha, they've doubled down on S40 and improved it in a big way. Asha phones even feature the Swipe UI that people liked from MeeGo.

Again, they sold 6.5 million of them in a Quarter. I think in a years time the Asha lineup will play a significant part in Nokia.

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RE[5]: Comment by Loreia
by cdude on Fri 19th Oct 2012 10:36 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Loreia"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

There is wireless charging


And yet you need to plug in a wire in your WP8 Lumia to charge it. What a joke.

Competition offers that too since long time. Innovation looks different.

a "PureMotion" display with a higher refresh rate and super sensitivity (You can use the screen with gloves on)


Nice for those who are required to have gloves on all times...

There's plenty of space in the Camera space to innovate. Look what Nokia has done with Optical Image Stabilization in the 920.


And yet the Pureview 808 had that in much better quality long ago. That they where not able to bring that to Lumia (and even had to fake there Lumia 920 camera photos) tells you where innovation is not possible cause of limitations Nokia cannot solve cause they do not have access to the code (same reason why WP7 Lumia can not be upgraded to WP8).

the best (in my opinion) mapping solution on the market with Nokia Maps.


They have not any longer. It was given to Microsoft and all WP8 resellers, like HTC and Samsung, will offer it too.

Do you think it is a bad idea to reenter the North American market?


I think its a bad idea to do focus foremost on north america and ignore much more important markets like China (technical WP7 Lumia limitations that where not solved all this years to also sell in China... but spend all your focus on 600ksold units in US? WTF?)

being on Verizon, TMobile, ATT, and some smaller MVNOs) they will see modest sales.


Same like with WP7 Lumia. What exactly are the reason(s) you see why the WP8 Lumia story will be totally different to the WP7 Lumia failure?

There is no indication of S40 being phased out.


S40 is rapidly aging and there is close to zero investment to stay competative. With Android, Bada/Tizen, etc going low end while Nokia struggles to keep alive and burns more resources in Lumia what do you think will happen in 2013 and beyond? Do you really believe S40 can compete where WP7 failed? So you think S40 is better then WP?

Edited 2012-10-19 10:41 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Loreia
by pos3 on Sat 20th Oct 2012 05:20 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Loreia"
pos3 Member since:
2010-06-25

where are you getting the asha numbers? You can get a android mobile for asha prices here.
People still but nokia here because of it previous brand recognition but not much wp.
Nokiad android would have made them no.1 atleast here.

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RE[4]: Comment by Loreia
by MOS6510 on Fri 19th Oct 2012 10:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Loreia"
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2011-05-12

I think Nokia should care about S40. There are still a lot of people, even healthy male ones, that still use them and don't even want a smart phone.

If you call a lot a S40 phone or any dumb phone is probably a better tool than a smart phone. When it comes to making calls a dumb phone beats a smart phone on speed and battery life.

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RE[5]: Comment by Loreia
by dsmogor on Sun 21st Oct 2012 13:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Loreia"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Couldn't agree more. The fact that you might need a browser from time to time shouldn't mean that phoning and textibg has to suck.

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