Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Oct 2012 18:15 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 has been released, sporting the rather... Interesting tagline 'Avoid the pain of Windows 8'. Two main features are that websites can now be treated as actual applications, integrating them into Unity. The divide between local and online content when searching has also been softened, which, they claim, makes it easier to find what you're looking for. On the server side, it includes the Folsom release of OpenStack, "Cinder, for block storage and Quantum, a virtual networking API. Ubuntu's Metal-as-a-Service bare-metal provisioning tool has been updated and now supports Calxeda hyperscale hardware based on ARM".
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RE[5]: ...
by lemur2 on Fri 19th Oct 2012 13:31 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

"The total system (hardware + software) is half that of a Windows 7 + recommended desktop software option


That's kind of illogical as most of the same software is actually also available for Windows. If you're happy running GIMP, LibreOffice, Firefox etc. etc. on Linux there is no reason why you couldn't use those on Windows, too. As such you should compare the prices with that in mind, not compare Linux+LibreOffice+GIMP+etc to Windows+Office+PhotoShop+etc -- you should compare Linux+LibreOffice+GIMP+etc to Windows+LibreOffice+GIMP+etc which quite really doesn't match your "half of that of a Windows 7" and so on.
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This is the current Office Suite best integrated with a KDE4 desktop:

http://www.calligra.org/

It happens to be the only desktop suite for Linux which happens to have a functional alternative to Microsoft Visio diagramming software.

http://www.calligra.org/flow/

The Office Suite is major component of the desktop software, this particular suite is not available on Windows.

I also have occasion to use mathematical desktop software.

http://edu.kde.org/cantor/

I use a GNU Octave backend for Cantor, so I get a functional clone of MATLAB. MATLAB itself is, of course, available for Windows, but it is quite expensive.

Speaking of expensive, I am merely an amateur when it comes to photography, so I cannot justify expensive software such as photoshop. I do find GIMP is a little clumsy, so instead I tend to use the combination of the following applications:

http://www.digikam.org/drupal/about?q=about/features
(for digital photo management)
http://krita.org/
(for creation of raster graphics)
http://www.calligra.org/karbon/
(for vector graphics)

Also not available for Windows.

As part of the very nice KDE4 default desktop, I get to use very capable, very nice essential desktop utilities such as:
http://dolphin.kde.org/features.html
http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/
http://kate-editor.org/about-kate/
http://www.kdenlive.org/features
http://qalculate.sourceforge.net/

... none of which are available for Windows, as far as I know.

To get the equivalent power and functionality on a Windows box, one would have to spend more on software than one had spent on the hardware alone.

Then again, even if some of this excellent desktop software were available for Windows, to run it on a secure Windows box, one would also have to get anti-virus and anti-spyware programs. Now whilst it is true one can get good Windows software in this area for no cost, it is also true to say that one has to know what one is doing, lest one ends up in the very trouble one was trying to avoid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_security_software

So I repeat, the point stands, to get a great system for half the cost and none of the pain or timewasting, the best approach is to avoid Windows and go with a Linux distribution targeted for desktop users.

Edited 2012-10-19 13:49 UTC

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by WereCatf on Fri 19th Oct 2012 13:46 in reply to "RE[5]: ..."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

... none of which are available for Windows, as far as I know.

To get the equivalent power and functionality on a Windows box, one would have to spend more on software than one had spent on the hardware alone.


You're cherry-picking applications that are Linux-only, even when you perfectly well know that there are completely free alternatives also for Windows. There is no reason why you'd have to buy expensive commercial apps for these simply because you run Windows.

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by lemur2 on Fri 19th Oct 2012 13:58 in reply to "RE[6]: ..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"... none of which are available for Windows, as far as I know.

To get the equivalent power and functionality on a Windows box, one would have to spend more on software than one had spent on the hardware alone.


You're cherry-picking applications that are Linux-only, even when you perfectly well know that there are completely free alternatives also for Windows. There is no reason why you'd have to buy expensive commercial apps for these simply because you run Windows.
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... unless you want to get anywhere near the capability that I have installed on my Linux desktop, for no cost.

I repeat, to get for Windows the equivalent power, functionality, and quality of desktop applications that I routinely install on my KDE4 desktop, avoiding trialware, adware, crapware, shovelware, shareware, bloat and all kinds of other dubious-ware that pervades the Windows world, one has to spend at least twice as much on a Windows desktop compared to a Linux desktop with the exact same hardware.

No joke. For real. I kid you not.

Then of course when it comes to your time and effort (have you ever waited through over an hour, and no less than four reboots, for Windows to get through an update? I have) ... one simply can't get consumer Windows that comes anywhere close to the excellent KDE4 Linux desktop experience.

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by lucas_maximus on Sun 21st Oct 2012 17:10 in reply to "RE[5]: ..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

As for things like Matlab ... you can't seriously be saying for such a complicated piece of software you can get a 1:1 equivalent ... they can't even get that working with Web Standards (cross browser) which are pretty simple in comparison to Matlab.

All the other applications have 100% free equivalents on Windows as well as other operating systems.

You are like a broken record.

Edited 2012-10-21 17:11 UTC

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by lemur2 on Sun 21st Oct 2012 22:39 in reply to "RE[6]: ..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

As for things like Matlab ... you can't seriously be saying for such a complicated piece of software you can get a 1:1 equivalent ... they can't even get that working with Web Standards (cross browser) which are pretty simple in comparison to Matlab.

All the other applications have 100% free equivalents on Windows as well as other operating systems.

You are like a broken record.


GNU Octave is a MATLAB work-alike, it uses the same language & syntax etc. Most MATLAB scripts should work fine without modification.

Contrary to your claim, about half of the software applications which I use regularly on my desktop are not available at all on Windows. If you use Windows you would have to find an alternative work-alike program. Fortunately there is a huge range of software available for Windows, but unfortunately for you, many of those work-alike equivalent programs for Windows are proprietary, and they will cost you money. So much money, in fact, that you will have to spend as much again on software as I spent for the complete system.

As far as the quality of FOSS software (such as the GNU Octave MATLAB work-alike) goes, here is one client:

http://www.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/09/large-hadron-collider--...

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