Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Oct 2012 10:56 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Things ain't going well for Nokia. Their quarterly results are - again - a disaster, and Lumia sales have dropped 28% (50% if you look at just the US). Windows Phone 8 is really going to be a make-it-or-break-it kind of thing. If it doesn't go well, the company might consider going back to focussing on rubber boots.
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RE[6]: Comment by Loreia
by Nelson on Fri 19th Oct 2012 16:11 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Loreia"
Nelson
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2005-11-29



And yet you need to plug in a wire in your WP8 Lumia to charge it. What a joke.

Competition offers that too since long time. Innovation looks different.


Uh, no. The charging station is plugged in, of course, but the phone has no wires going into it.

Of course the bigger picture is public places. Nokia is working to expand the footprint of wireless charging stations in public places.

Also their own accessories support inductive charging. For example, if you set your Lumia down on their new Play 360 speakers, the phone automatically starts charging AND thanks to NFC+Bluetooth automatically starts playing whatever song you're currently playing through your speakers.


Nice for those who are required to have gloves on all times...


Or for when it's cold out, or for those who'd like pen input without expensive capacitive pens. Seriously, just because you can't conceivably find use in it, doesn't mean its not a differentiator which is what I was pointing out.


And yet the Pureview 808 had that in much better quality long ago. That they where not able to bring that to Lumia (and even had to fake there Lumia 920 camera photos)


Simulating results is industry practice in COMMERCIALS. It was a damn commercial. I went to a Nokia event in NYC, I had the camera demonstrated to me first hand. Its the real deal.

On the 808, they're good in different situations. The 808 excels in lossless zoom and oversampling to produce the "perfect pixel" but the Lumia 920 excels in video recording and low light conditions. The low light performance of the Lumia 920 is astounding.

tells you where innovation is not possible cause of limitations Nokia cannot solve cause they do not have access to the code (same reason why WP7 Lumia can not be upgraded to WP8).


Nokia has access to the code, and in fact, if you took the time to look into it, so do other OEMs.

Beyond what standard OEMs are granted, Nokia has special privileges to modify Windows Phone in unique ways.


They have not any longer. It was given to Microsoft and all WP8 resellers, like HTC and Samsung, will offer it too.


It was licensed to Microsoft and other OEMs for an unspecified amount. However Nokia still retains Nokia Drive, Transit, and what's being called Maps+ in Windows Phone 8.

It wasn't a gift to Microsoft.


I think its a bad idea to do focus foremost on north america and ignore much more important markets like China (technical WP7 Lumia limitations that where not solved all this years to also sell in China... but spend all your focus on 600ksold units in US? WTF?)


They are not focusing foremost on North America. Wtf? They sold more Lumias outside of the US, and in fact showed pretty impressive growth in Europe.

The Lumia 920 is coming to the largest carrier in the WORLD in China. A carrier which doesn't even carry the iPhone.

To say Nokia is not focusing on China is absurd.

Nokia simply jumped on the WP7 train towards the end of WP7 development. Nodo had shipped and Mango was almost finished, with WP8 in early development. Nokia had a plenty more say in WP8 than in WP7 and it shows.

A lot of short comings were addressed.


Same like with WP7 Lumia. What exactly are the reason(s) you see why the WP8 Lumia story will be totally different to the WP7 Lumia failure?


VZW, ATT, and TMO see WP8 as being more competitive than WP7. From features, to hardware, to the selection of apps.

And WP7 Lumia's were not a failure. They showed QoQ growth for every quarter prior to this one.

Sure, they didn't sell as many as Apple or as Samsung, but it takes time to grow. Nokia has unquestionably GROWN Windows Phone and it has given Nokia a new lease on life.

If it were up to you, they'd still be dicking around with MeeGo and wouldn't be profitable. Let me say this again, as of now, Nokia has returned to profitability.


S40 is rapidly aging and there is close to zero investment to stay competative. With Android, Bada/Tizen, etc going low end while Nokia struggles to keep alive and burns more resources in Lumia what do you think will happen in 2013 and beyond


Bada has been rolled into Tizen and Tizen is VAPORWARE. Sorry, it doesn't exist. DOESN'T EXIST.

Nokia like I said has sold 6.5 MILLION Asha devices in one quarter. They had a stellar reception. They run Series 40, and (I've actually had hands on time with one at the Nokia Event) they are pretty awesome. Doesn't even feel like S40.

Again, this "Nokia burning cash on Lumia" isn't fucking true. They receive $250 million from Microsoft EVERY QUARTER to support Windows Phone.

Location is up, Nokia Siemens is up, Asha is up, and a new Lumia line up is about to be introduced. Yet, somehow to you, the sky is still falling.


Do you really believe S40 can compete where WP7 failed? So you think S40 is better then WP?


WP8 will run Nokia's high end.
S40 will run their low to mid end.
WP7.8 (possibly a Lumia 510 or something) will fill the small gap between S40 and low-high end.

They compliment each other.

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RE[7]: Comment by Loreia
by cdude on Fri 19th Oct 2012 19:44 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Loreia"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Simulating results is industry practice


Come on. First it was not a "simulation" but a lie. The spots say "made with Lumia" and that was the full and only point, the proof and Nokia got caught lying, faking the proof.

Second they even had to sorry in public, all the press covered the story that Nokia was forced to lie cause they promise the product can do something, a unique selling point, it cannot do.

Theird this is NOT standard in any way. This is a miserable disrespecting fool lie into customers face.

Forth never ever did Nokia in its long and very successful company history handle its customers like that till Elop. Nokia was named "the giant gentlement"! Now its neither a giant nor a gentlemen any longer.

Nokia has access to the code, and in fact, if you took the time to look into it, so do other OEMs


PLEASE inform yourself. They have not. Even Microsoft employees, those who hack on that code, do not have access to the full source code.

The components are split and there are countless different integration layers.

This is best praxis in such shops. It works like this for iPhone and Android. The difference is that at Android there is a time the whole product, as in sourcecode, artwork and so on, is dumped to employees, later partners and at the very end the public.

Both, Apple and Microsoft, are very specific in protecting that base ALL of the time. Nobody but a hand full of people is going to get access to the whole picture and even those who have have only under very strict conditions to prevent any leaks.

You may have that idea from various sources that stat some govs have access to the Windows sources, from news that wrote about the win2000 leak. They are all wrong or at least incomplete. Never ever was the full source code given on, leaked or passed on and ESPECIALLY NOT passed on to OEM's.

Beyond what standard OEMs are granted, Nokia has special privileges to modify Windows Phone in unique ways.


Yes, like shipping another default wallpaper or iconset.

You are aware that WP7 Lunia was and is way closer to vanilla WP7 then HTC Titan and Samsung Omnia? Are you?

The Lumia 920 is coming to the largest carrier in the WORLD in China.


You mean the 920T for China Mobile but it seems you don't know what the T means...

I will give you a hint. China Mobile also already (read past and present) offered the Nokia 801T as Nokia 800 counterpart.

Its a special variant made only for China Mobile, the worlds number 1. Its running Symbian!

http://www.91mobiles.com/nokia-801t-price-in-india

Again, this "Nokia burning cash on Lumia" isn't f--king true. They receive $250 million from Microsoft EVERY QUARTER to support Windows Phone.


Received, past, correct. Starting soon the one year WP license free part is over and Nokia needs to start paying the same sums to Microsoft. Ups.

Edited 2012-10-19 19:49 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by Loreia
by Nelson on Sat 20th Oct 2012 15:27 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Loreia"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Come on. First it was not a "simulation" but a lie. The spots say "made with Lumia" and that was the full and only point, the proof and Nokia got caught lying, faking the proof.

Second they even had to sorry in public, all the press covered the story that Nokia was forced to lie cause they promise the product can do something, a unique selling point, it cannot do.


No, quite clearly, it was a simulated environment. Its not like the camera was shown to do something it can't. It clearly can, and they've demonstrated it amply.

The only conspiracy theorists left are people with an axe to grind with Nokia.


Theird this is NOT standard in any way. This is a miserable disrespecting fool lie into customers face.

Forth never ever did Nokia in its long and very successful company history handle its customers like that till Elop. Nokia was named "the giant gentlement"! Now its neither a giant nor a gentlemen any longer.


I suppose you think the Apple commercials on TV aren't simulations of the OS, or the Samsung Galaxy Tab commercials show the real deal. Hint: They don't.

You're probably the reason some commercials have to disclose not to try these things at home.


PLEASE inform yourself. They have not. Even Microsoft employees, those who hack on that code, do not have access to the full source code.

The components are split and there are countless different integration layers.


You do not need full access to the code to differentiate. Nokia does have a say in development, and more integration opportunities than other OEMs. The extent is undisclosed, so I find it kind of funny you pretend to know.

Spare me your stupid diatribe.


Yes, like shipping another default wallpaper or iconset.

You are aware that WP7 Lunia was and is way closer to vanilla WP7 then HTC Titan and Samsung Omnia? Are you?


Except that Nokia has the most value add on the platform with their OEM apps. NFC integration, Bluetooth contact transfer. Exclusive 2nd party apps. Custom camera integration with their Camera Extras app including Scaldo tech.

Stop making shit up.


You mean the 920T for China Mobile but it seems you don't know what the T means...

I will give you a hint. China Mobile also already (read past and present) offered the Nokia 801T as Nokia 800 counterpart.

Its a special variant made only for China Mobile, the worlds number 1. Its running Symbian!

http://www.91mobiles.com/nokia-801t-price-in-india


No. The Lumia 920 running Windows Phone is coming to China Mobile.


Received, past, correct. Starting soon the one year WP license free part is over and Nokia needs to start paying the same sums to Microsoft. Ups.


Nokia doesn't have to pay a quarter billion a quarter. Also, Microsoft pays Nokia patent license fees, and mapping license fees.

Microsoft also matches OEM marketing efforts.

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