Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Oct 2012 10:56 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Things ain't going well for Nokia. Their quarterly results are - again - a disaster, and Lumia sales have dropped 28% (50% if you look at just the US). Windows Phone 8 is really going to be a make-it-or-break-it kind of thing. If it doesn't go well, the company might consider going back to focussing on rubber boots.
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RE[7]: Comment by Loreia
by cdude on Fri 19th Oct 2012 19:44 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Loreia"
cdude
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2008-09-21

Simulating results is industry practice


Come on. First it was not a "simulation" but a lie. The spots say "made with Lumia" and that was the full and only point, the proof and Nokia got caught lying, faking the proof.

Second they even had to sorry in public, all the press covered the story that Nokia was forced to lie cause they promise the product can do something, a unique selling point, it cannot do.

Theird this is NOT standard in any way. This is a miserable disrespecting fool lie into customers face.

Forth never ever did Nokia in its long and very successful company history handle its customers like that till Elop. Nokia was named "the giant gentlement"! Now its neither a giant nor a gentlemen any longer.

Nokia has access to the code, and in fact, if you took the time to look into it, so do other OEMs


PLEASE inform yourself. They have not. Even Microsoft employees, those who hack on that code, do not have access to the full source code.

The components are split and there are countless different integration layers.

This is best praxis in such shops. It works like this for iPhone and Android. The difference is that at Android there is a time the whole product, as in sourcecode, artwork and so on, is dumped to employees, later partners and at the very end the public.

Both, Apple and Microsoft, are very specific in protecting that base ALL of the time. Nobody but a hand full of people is going to get access to the whole picture and even those who have have only under very strict conditions to prevent any leaks.

You may have that idea from various sources that stat some govs have access to the Windows sources, from news that wrote about the win2000 leak. They are all wrong or at least incomplete. Never ever was the full source code given on, leaked or passed on and ESPECIALLY NOT passed on to OEM's.

Beyond what standard OEMs are granted, Nokia has special privileges to modify Windows Phone in unique ways.


Yes, like shipping another default wallpaper or iconset.

You are aware that WP7 Lunia was and is way closer to vanilla WP7 then HTC Titan and Samsung Omnia? Are you?

The Lumia 920 is coming to the largest carrier in the WORLD in China.


You mean the 920T for China Mobile but it seems you don't know what the T means...

I will give you a hint. China Mobile also already (read past and present) offered the Nokia 801T as Nokia 800 counterpart.

Its a special variant made only for China Mobile, the worlds number 1. Its running Symbian!

http://www.91mobiles.com/nokia-801t-price-in-india

Again, this "Nokia burning cash on Lumia" isn't f--king true. They receive $250 million from Microsoft EVERY QUARTER to support Windows Phone.


Received, past, correct. Starting soon the one year WP license free part is over and Nokia needs to start paying the same sums to Microsoft. Ups.

Edited 2012-10-19 19:49 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by Loreia
by Nelson on Sat 20th Oct 2012 15:27 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by Loreia"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Come on. First it was not a "simulation" but a lie. The spots say "made with Lumia" and that was the full and only point, the proof and Nokia got caught lying, faking the proof.

Second they even had to sorry in public, all the press covered the story that Nokia was forced to lie cause they promise the product can do something, a unique selling point, it cannot do.


No, quite clearly, it was a simulated environment. Its not like the camera was shown to do something it can't. It clearly can, and they've demonstrated it amply.

The only conspiracy theorists left are people with an axe to grind with Nokia.


Theird this is NOT standard in any way. This is a miserable disrespecting fool lie into customers face.

Forth never ever did Nokia in its long and very successful company history handle its customers like that till Elop. Nokia was named "the giant gentlement"! Now its neither a giant nor a gentlemen any longer.


I suppose you think the Apple commercials on TV aren't simulations of the OS, or the Samsung Galaxy Tab commercials show the real deal. Hint: They don't.

You're probably the reason some commercials have to disclose not to try these things at home.


PLEASE inform yourself. They have not. Even Microsoft employees, those who hack on that code, do not have access to the full source code.

The components are split and there are countless different integration layers.


You do not need full access to the code to differentiate. Nokia does have a say in development, and more integration opportunities than other OEMs. The extent is undisclosed, so I find it kind of funny you pretend to know.

Spare me your stupid diatribe.


Yes, like shipping another default wallpaper or iconset.

You are aware that WP7 Lunia was and is way closer to vanilla WP7 then HTC Titan and Samsung Omnia? Are you?


Except that Nokia has the most value add on the platform with their OEM apps. NFC integration, Bluetooth contact transfer. Exclusive 2nd party apps. Custom camera integration with their Camera Extras app including Scaldo tech.

Stop making shit up.


You mean the 920T for China Mobile but it seems you don't know what the T means...

I will give you a hint. China Mobile also already (read past and present) offered the Nokia 801T as Nokia 800 counterpart.

Its a special variant made only for China Mobile, the worlds number 1. Its running Symbian!

http://www.91mobiles.com/nokia-801t-price-in-india


No. The Lumia 920 running Windows Phone is coming to China Mobile.


Received, past, correct. Starting soon the one year WP license free part is over and Nokia needs to start paying the same sums to Microsoft. Ups.


Nokia doesn't have to pay a quarter billion a quarter. Also, Microsoft pays Nokia patent license fees, and mapping license fees.

Microsoft also matches OEM marketing efforts.

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