Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 19th Oct 2012 20:07 UTC
Windows Interesting little tidbit from the Reddit AMA session with Microsoft's Surface team. One Redditor wondered just how much disk space Windows RT takes up - in other words, if you buy the 32GB Surface RT tablet, how much space is left for your stuff? It turns out that while Windows 8 RT is considerably smaller than its Windows 7 x86 predecessor, it's still huge by mobile standards.
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It could have been better
by sukru on Fri 19th Oct 2012 20:54 UTC
sukru
Member since:
2006-11-19

Of course 12GB is too much, but it's actually better than other choice: not having a Windows ARM version at all.

I've checked my current Windows 7 installation with TreeSize (great utlity btw). I have 64 bit windows, Office 2010 + 2013 Beta + Visual Studio, and a bunch of other things.

This is the breakdown:
28GB Windows
- 8.5G Installer files
- 8GB WinSxS (backwards compatibility)
- 3.6GB System32
- 2GB Assembly (.net native images for v2 and v4 for both 32 and 64 bits)
- 1.2GB temp
- 1.2GB SysWOW64 (32 bits compatibility)
- 1GB Software Distribution
- 1GB Microsoft.Net
- 500MB Fonts
- and the rest totals less than 1GB

10GB System Volume Information (shadow copies and system restore)

1.3GB MSOCache (Office setup files)

I've skipped over program files, and user data

Out of these system files, at least 32GB of ~40GB is redundant and useless stuff (for example I don't need 4 different versions of .Net).

Even if we included Office in this mix (it usually takes ~2GB installation space), we'd still have a total of 10-11GB actual useful non-redundant resources.

That means Microsoft has not actually done much to reduce this clutter, except for porting the code to ARM (which is important by itself).

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RE: It could have been better
by kompak on Sat 20th Oct 2012 06:57 in reply to "It could have been better"
kompak Member since:
2011-06-14


- 500MB Fonts


You must have every font known to mankind.

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RE: It could have been better
by segedunum on Sat 20th Oct 2012 22:29 in reply to "It could have been better"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Of course 12GB is too much, but it's actually better than other choice: not having a Windows ARM version at all.

Why? No one cares about Windows on ARM. People care about Windows purely because of the installed base of x86 specific applications. Beyond that there isn't much use for it.

That means Microsoft has not actually done much to reduce this clutter, except for porting the code to ARM (which is important by itself).

I'm not convinced they can do much about it. Windows is an interconnected homogeneous system. You take it or leave it.

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RE[2]: It could have been better
by j-kidd on Sun 21st Oct 2012 00:41 in reply to "RE: It could have been better"
j-kidd Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not convinced they can do much about it. Windows is an interconnected homogeneous system. You take it or leave it.


I just did some testing with Windows Server 2008 R2 yesterday. A normal installation takes 12GB, while a core installation takes 2GB only.

If WinRT didn't have to pull in all the desktop stuffs, I think it would be much smaller.

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RE: It could have been better
by MollyC on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 03:22 in reply to "It could have been better"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

They did reduce the size of W7 to W8, but yeah, once they did that, they ported W8 to ARM without trying to make further reductions, which seems the prudent move to me.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

....they ported W8 to ARM without trying to make further reductions, which seems the prudent move to me.

Given the space available on these devices forgive me if I say that it doesn't seem prudent at all.

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RE: It could have been better
by bnolsen on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 08:00 in reply to "It could have been better"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

Of course 12GB is too much, but it's actually better than other choice: not having a Windows ARM version at all.


You lost me here. I guess competition is good as long as they are playing fair (they have a poor history).

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RE[2]: It could have been better
by zima on Fri 26th Oct 2012 23:19 in reply to "RE: It could have been better"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Any company in position, with such possibilities, would probably act more or less similar. And anyway, their competition was also simply stupid and/or a worse choice: http://www.osnews.com/thread?522221 (plus, Gang of Nine preferred to deal with MS than yield to IBM)

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