Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 19th Oct 2012 20:07 UTC
Windows Interesting little tidbit from the Reddit AMA session with Microsoft's Surface team. One Redditor wondered just how much disk space Windows RT takes up - in other words, if you buy the 32GB Surface RT tablet, how much space is left for your stuff? It turns out that while Windows 8 RT is considerably smaller than its Windows 7 x86 predecessor, it's still huge by mobile standards.
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Good Points
by galvanash on Fri 19th Oct 2012 22:58 UTC
galvanash
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2006-01-25

So its 12GB... That essentially wipes out the 2x the storage arguments when compared to an iPad. I'll note that in the future.

I also agree that the desktop mode, which only matters to allow Office and Explorer to run for the most part, is an unfortunate blight on what would otherwise seem to be a pretty good pure tablet experience.

I understand why they did it (sort of), but I still question it over the long haul. If they would have allowed native ARM apps for desktop mode it would have been totally different, but as it is now they have (to me) artificially made desktop mode uncompelling for Surface RT. I still have hope they will pull an Apple and release an ARM SDK for writing full desktop apps in the future. They made desktop mode stupid through policy - it's not stupid in and of itself though...

Which brings me to the fact that this is all specific to Surface RT...

I think the arguments for Surface Pro are completely different. Desktop mode will not be a hindrance, it will be an extremely compelling feature.

The way I see it, Surface Pro won't be a tablet - it will be a notebook with a detachable zero-footprint keyboard that can function as a tablet OR a notebook without having to make major compromises for either. Same form factor as a tablet, same usability (for Metro Apps), but the most compelling feature is that you can (at will) use it as if it were a notebook for content creation work, with a full desktop UI and a keyboard and mouse.

Surface Pro wont be an iPad competitor - it will be a Macbook Air competitor (priced accordingly)... But the value of it is if you buy one you essentially get a tablet thrown in for free.

I don't think that Surface RT is a dud by any means, I just think it is less interesting than the Pro version (which is why I'm waiting for the Pro to come out before buying one). If there are enough good Metro apps RT could certainly hold its own, but its long term future is completely tied to how good the apps are. Surface Pro is less dependent on Metro apps to be compelling.

Which is why I never understood why they did RT first... They should have did the Pro version first and let their app store build up to the point that RT would become compelling because of the available apps. I think they did the launch backwards, but hey - what do I know?

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On a different note...
by galvanash on Sat 20th Oct 2012 01:02 in reply to "Good Points"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

This seems to me to be a good example of Microsoft's lack of shrewd marketing when compared to Apple...

If this were an Apple product the base model would be marketed as having 16GB of storage, the high end model would have 48GB (or maybe 20GB and 50GB, but consumers seem to really like base-16 integers for some reason I still don't fathom)...

It creates a larger perceived advantage for the higher end model (i.e. 3x the storage), and gives them the advantage of being able to say that ALL of the reported storage is accessible to users. More importantly, it makes the fact that the OS image uses 12GB of space (which is fricken' huge) mostly irrelevant (since your not really paying for it).

As it is now, proclaiming the thing has 32GB of storage looks like a lie buried in the truth. This might become a scandal, and its ashamed because it has nothing to do with the product, its purely an issue with the messaging.

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RE: Good Points
by kaiwai on Sat 20th Oct 2012 01:42 in reply to "Good Points"
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2005-07-06

Regarding native desktop ARM applications - good question. Even if their argument is "well, Surface is only a tablet" there is also the possibility of traditional laptops appearing with ARM CPU's, there might even be more adventurous hardware vendors willing to sell ARM based desktops such as an ultra-thin 'all in one' computer thus would necessitate the ability to run traditional desktop applications be they ported from x86 win32 to ARM win32.

The dream I do have is that maybe Windows 8 with WinRT is the first step in WinRT being a framework for both traditional desktop applications and metro ones. I'd love that to be the case and Windows 8 merely being pushed out there as something for the 'tablets' with Windows 9 being an upgrade that targets both platforms but I have been disappointed in the past hence I keep my optimism very sober.

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