Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Oct 2012 12:14 UTC
Windows After yesterday's TV advertisement, Microsoft finally unveiled the pricing for its Surface tablet - the ARM Windows RT version that is. The cheapest Surface - 32GB without touch cover - will set you back $499. They're aiming straight for iPad pricing here, ignoring the popular cheaper Android offerings. Update: only available in Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, Hong Kong, the United Kingdom and the United States. As usual.
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zima
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2005-07-06

atleast here in Finland even I can't come up with a single vendor providing systems without Windows pre-installed unless you go for Apple, and then you get OSX instead.

Well, I go to ceneo.pl (possibly the most popular and well-known here catalogue of products and online shops), to "laptops" category (noting that a laptop without an OS is the most popular one), pick "no OS" and "Linux" options, and...
http://www.ceneo.pl/Laptopy;017P8-250094-250095.htm
...get over 400 products. Similar for netbooks or desktops (just picked the example of laptops since they're most popular now, and typically the subject of local conspiracy theories from ~Linux-faithful - before the see the above search on ceneo)

Now, you're seriously telling us that Finland didn't come up with such web service? That it lags in anything-high-tech behind... Poland?

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

zima,

"Well, I go to ceneo.pl (possibly the most popular and well-known here catalogue of products and online shops), to 'laptops' category (noting that a laptop without an OS is the most popular one), pick 'no OS' and 'Linux' options, and..."

I visited the link to verify your claim, but I cannot read it ;) so I'll take you at your word. If it is the case that no-os is the most popular option there, it makes me wonder how many people are not getting what they really want when there isn't a no-os choice.

Heck, not even talking in terms of alternate OS, some people might routinely be overwriting a bundled copy of windows home with a standalone copy of windows professional, because no-os isn't a choice. I'm sure a good chunk of windows sales go to customers who'd rather buy windows licenses separately and reuse it if no-OS systems were easier to buy. I'm really curious as to how often bundled windows licenses are oversold like this.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

If it is the case that no-os is the most popular option there, it makes me wonder how many people are not getting what they really want when there isn't a no-os choice.

Heh, don't count on it. Vast majority of those no-OS or "Linux"* machines end up with Windows installation - at best student MSDNAA license, but typically pirated. Windows is what people overwhelmingly want on a PC, accept that - no-OS or "Linux"* are just means to get a slightly lower price.
(oh yeah, so those people are used to no-crapware Windows installs; even much easier to like Windows that way)

Though I didn't say that no-OS is the most popular option overall, but that one such laptop as at the top of popularity ATM.

*why I'm writing "Linux" you ask? Well, it's often just a smokescreen so that a reputable big PC maker can always say ~"we don't facilitate piracy, all our machines are sold with an operating system" or such.
But it doesn't say how that Linux looks; in one case I've seen, it was just a Knoppix live-DVD thrown into the box; in another, some Linux installation which didn't even boot into X ...and couldn't, since it lacked support for the GFX chip in that laptop.

I visited the link to verify your claim, but I cannot read it so I'll take you at your word.

And what is it with you doubting such ~new info, even when there's a link? ;p (where you can see "Wybrane filtry System operacyjny Bez systemu Linux" in a field at the top, key words similar to EN ones ...better yet: parse whole page through Google Translate, it works bearably)

Edited 2012-10-24 00:13 UTC

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