Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 21st Oct 2012 16:13 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
Windows "I've been writing about Windows for almost 20 years, and I feel like I've kind of seen it all. But for the past several days, I've been struggling under the weight of the most brutal email onslaught I've ever endured over these two decades. And if my email is any indication, and I believe it is, the majority of people out there have absolutely no idea what Windows RT is. This is a problem." When even Paul Thurrot is worried, you can be sure it is, actually, a problem. We're going to see and hear about a lot of frustrated customer who can't load up their 1997 copy of Awesome Garden Designer 2.0 Deluxe.
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Comment by sagum
by sagum on Sun 21st Oct 2012 17:39 UTC
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2006-01-23

We're going to see and hear about a lot of frustrated customer who can't load up their 1997 copy of Awesome Garden Designer 2.0 Deluxe.

I had the same problem trying to load up Photoshop on my ipod touch!

I personally think Microsoft dropped the ball when they made Office a desktop App for RT. It should really have been Metro (apps for windows 8 ofc), metro only and the desktop itself should have been disabled for RT devices.
It makes sense on so many levels, mostly for ease of use flow, falling back to the desktop on a touch device is a real pain to use, its the reason why windows never took off on them.

Hopefully either Pro tablets drop in price and are released or people cotton on to using Metro apps we move forward (eek) into a metro workspace... *sigh*

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RE: Comment by sagum
by Vanders on Sun 21st Oct 2012 22:48 in reply to "Comment by sagum"
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2005-07-06

I personally think Microsoft dropped the ball when they made Office a desktop App for RT. It should really have been Metro (apps for windows 8 ofc), metro only and the desktop itself should have been disabled for RT devices.


This is not your fault, bit I think this quote highlights the problems Microsoft face. A desktop app for RT? Why is that different from Metro? How is the same? What about the desktop? Microsoft have confused themselves, let alone us.

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RE[2]: Comment by sagum
by sagum on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 08:16 in reply to "RE: Comment by sagum"
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2006-01-23

"I personally think Microsoft dropped the ball when they made Office a desktop App for RT. It should really have been Metro (apps for windows 8 ofc), metro only and the desktop itself should have been disabled for RT devices.


This is not your fault, bit I think this quote highlights the problems Microsoft face. A desktop app for RT? Why is that different from Metro? How is the same? What about the desktop? Microsoft have confused themselves, let alone us.
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RT just means its an ARM powered device. Microsoft decided to lock down the desktop of ARM compiled apps for what ever reason, be it SDK/API or something else.
Where as Metro apps work across the platforms without users having to worry if they're x86 or ARM versions to be installed so I can see why they've limited the desktop apps in that sense.

The only thing I can think of is that the Metro UI for all the crital system components is not ready for a true replacement, meaning users would need to fall back to the desktop to fix it still. If this is (and it seems like it), I'd have prefered the desktop when in safe mode or running as Admin with Office as metro app.

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RE[2]: Comment by sagum
by bassbeast on Tue 23rd Oct 2012 14:44 in reply to "RE: Comment by sagum"
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2007-11-11

Frankly this, this right here, is why MSFT has never had a chance at the mobile space. Remember how they were into smartphones years before Apple ever even thought of an iPhone? what did they do? they tried to tie it into the Windows branding, complete with teeny tiny desktop and start button and of course it bombed.

I'll never forget the article i read a few years ago with the founder of Neversoft and why he walked away from his baby WinAmp while it was still popular: "They just wouldn't listen, they kept trying to force everything to come back to "the product" (AOL dialup) when we could see the market for the product was dying and nobody wanted it,by the end they were forcing us to bundle the entire software suit with every copy of WinAmp!"

And that is MSFT in 2012 in a nutshell, instead of accepting the fact that like IBM with the mainframe while Windows will pretty much own the desktop forever the world simply isn't gonna revolve around desktops like it did in the 90s and thus letting their other divisions to get out from under the Windows legacy and truly innovate they instead keep trying to tie everything back to "the product" that made their fortune back in the day while refusing to see those glory days are past.

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RE: Comment by sagum
by RobG on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 13:28 in reply to "Comment by sagum"
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2012-10-17

I'd love to see Metro app's dominate, but not while the only way to distribute them is via Marketplace.

That would kill off OSS on the Windows platform.

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RE: Comment by sagum
by cyrilleberger on Tue 23rd Oct 2012 09:43 in reply to "Comment by sagum"
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2006-02-01

I personally think Microsoft dropped the ball when they made Office a desktop App for RT. It should really have been Metro (apps for windows 8 ofc), metro only and the desktop itself should have been disabled for RT devices.


And they will. But Microsoft had to release RT ASAP, they had to release it before Android get a stronghold in the tablet market, otherwise, they would have to face the same uphill battle in the tablet market as in the phone market. But they had to do it with an offering that suit their main cash cow, ie, business people, meaning they had to provide Office. And they could not wait for Office to be a full RT application.

But they want to get ride of the desktop mode and of win32, especially since regulator are going to come and knock at their door and tell them that they have to open the API to everyone.

Microsoft was facing three choices:

1) Release Win RT in 2012, OfficeRT when it is ready late 2013, early 2014 (at best), and lose a compelling selling point for their business customers
2) Release Win RT when Office RT is ready, and face a strong uphill battle with Android
3) Release Win RT in 2012, along with an hybrid Office, and in two years time, release the full RT Office and wipe out the desktop API. And keep the anti-trust regulator at bay for two years.

In light of that, I would argue that 3) was their best option.

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