Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 13:36 UTC
Legal "One of the exhibits Samsung has now made public tells an interesting tale. It's the slide presentation that Apple showed Samsung when it first tried (and failed) to get Samsung to license Apple's patents prior to the start of litigation. While some of the numbers were earlier reported on when the exhibit was used at trial, the slides themselves provide more data - specifically on the difference between what Apple wanted Samsung to pay for Windows phones and for Android phones. The slides punch huge holes in Apple's FRAND arguments. Apple and Microsoft complain to regulators about FRAND rates being excessive and oppressive at approximately $6 per unit, or 2.4%; but the Apple offer was not only at a much higher rate, it targeted Android in a way that seems deliberately designed to destroy its ability to compete in the marketplace." Eagerly awaiting the 45 paragraph comment explaining how this is completely fair and not hypocritical at all. Bonus points if it includes something about Eric Schmidt being on Apple's board, and, double bonus point if it mentions one of the QWERTY Android prototypes. Mega Epic Bonus if it somehow manages to draw a line from Edison, Tesla, to Jobs.
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RE: Dubious argument
by kwan_e on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 14:24 UTC in reply to "Dubious argument"
kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

Second, it seems odd to suggest that because Google makes the best mapping software, it's okay for Google to push everyone else out of the market.


First, That was not the suggestion at all. Second, Google isn't doing anything anticompetitive against other map makers, at least not in the same way Apple and Microsoft are.

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RE[2]: Dubious argument
by Hiev on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 14:48 in reply to "RE: Dubious argument"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

What about the vandalism to Open Streeth Maps? Google never came out with an explanation, till now, they are still "investigating" the issue.

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RE[3]: Dubious argument
by Yehppael on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 15:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Dubious argument"
Yehppael Member since:
2012-08-01

Google is a multinational company, with thousands of employees, deals in billions and the word "Google" is probably known and used more than any other word after "God" and "sex".

To say they engaged in some petty vandalism is laughable.

I googled ;) "open street map vandalism" read a few articles, interesting, no doubt they believe, and maybe rightfully so, that some Google employees were responsible for this, but it takes an impressive imagination to believe it was corporate strategy or something more coordinated than some drunk idiots.

I'm not saying anything about their ethics, just plain market strategy, Google is doing brilliantly on almost every field they play, this particular incident reeks of stupidity. Or something else.

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RE[3]: Dubious argument
by cyrilleberger on Tue 23rd Oct 2012 09:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Dubious argument"
cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

Maybe they do engage in openstreetmap vandalism. But I can tell you, that if they do, they don't do it from an IP that can be traced right back to their ass. It is an Internet-age company, they know about traceability.

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RE[2]: Dubious argument
by flypig on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 15:15 in reply to "RE: Dubious argument"
flypig Member since:
2005-07-13

First, That was not the suggestion at all. Second, Google isn't doing anything anticompetitive against other map makers, at least not in the same way Apple and Microsoft are.


Apologies if I misread the article. My understanding of the accusation is that Google have been using their dominance in search to unfairly promote their other products. Whether or not Google's other products are better is surely independent of whether Google have "cooked anything" in their search results?

If Google's services are getting promoted due to an impartial algorithm because they happen to be the best services, then I'd hope an investigation would vindicate them.

By the way, I'm not accusing Google of doing anything anticompetitive, and I'm not saying the accusations aren't themselves business-motivated. I really wouldn't know!

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RE[2]: Dubious argument
by majipoor on Mon 22nd Oct 2012 20:09 in reply to "RE: Dubious argument"
majipoor Member since:
2009-01-22

Tell that to Skyhook.

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