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Linux Here's a topic guaranteed to start controversy. Which Linux distribution is best? It all depends on your criteria for judging. Even then the topic is highly subjective. Here are a few nominees for "best distro" in specific categories.
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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by delta0.delta0 on Wed 24th Oct 2012 06:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
delta0.delta0
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2010-06-01

RPM's are not bad per say, its just that yum or apt for rpm gives to deadrat sorry I mean redhat the exact same functionality that Debian has had from the start. Red Hat and Debian both need to man up and sit down and form a new package management system which combines both of their systems into 1.

1 Debian maintainer made a mistake for seeding random data, a mistake that had actually been raised to openssl devs who didn't catch the issue and when the bug was found it was rectified pretty quickly. Why do you bring this up ?


Some believe security through obscurity is great, that hiding your security flaws magically makes them disappear, that has never been the case.

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by Soulbender on Wed 24th Oct 2012 07:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
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2005-08-18

RPM's are not bad per say, its just that yum or apt for rpm gives to deadrat sorry I mean redhat the exact same functionality that Debian has had from the start


So...what? That has nothing to do with the RPM format itself.
Also, Debian didn't have APT from the start. First APT release was in 1998.

Red Hat and Debian both need to man up and sit down and form a new package management system which combines both of their systems into 1.


Why? Both deb and rpm gets the job done pretty much equally well.

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RE[4]: Comment by marcp
by delta0.delta0 on Wed 24th Oct 2012 12:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by marcp"
delta0.delta0 Member since:
2010-06-01

Also, Debian didn't have APT from the start. First APT release was in 1998.


Sorry you are right, I knew that already but what I meant to say is that Debian had it from the start from before YDL developed Yum or redhat even standardised on the yum method not as in the very start of the Debian Linux Release.

Why? Both deb and rpm gets the job done pretty much equally well


Absolutely they do, I completely agree but its such a waste of time having to package the same program in 2 different formats to satisfy what is essentially 1 operating system. I have always wished for this, it just makes sense to unify the formats rather than continue supporting two different formats, even if its something like the Free Desktop manifesto where standards are drawn up, so duplication of effort and work is removed / drastically reduced I think we the users / maintainers / developers would all benefit from a unified / standard package management system. Not that all management systems should be removed diversity is a good thing but if there is a set standard then while there can be diversity all systems can understand packages built to this set specification, if that makes sense.

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by lucas_maximus on Wed 24th Oct 2012 07:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Some believe security through obscurity is great, that hiding your security flaws magically makes them disappear, that has never been the case.


It was there for over 2 years and was due to developer laziness.

It pretty much puts the "many eyes" into the category of "Myth".

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RE[4]: Comment by marcp
by delta0.delta0 on Wed 24th Oct 2012 12:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by marcp"
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2010-06-01


It was there for over 2 years and was due to developer laziness.


It was a misunderstanding, an error, do you know the exact circumstances around the issue to know for a fact that it was down to laziness ? From everything I have read about the incident it seems to be a misunderstanding rather than just laziness, shit happens and it happens in both closed and open platforms, that's reality, no such thing as perfect code, because humans are not perfect.

At least on open platforms if you stumble on shit you can clean it up, in the closed world if you stumble on shit, you have to wear it until the manufacturer cleans it up, that's the difference.



It pretty much puts the "many eyes" into the category of "Myth".


Bullshit !

How many cracks or system compromises were attributed to this ? afaik 0, none.

Sure after this had been revealed there was a lot of upgrading / key regenerations, but before it was known it looks like no one had stumbled across it, so in reality it neither proves or disproves either theory, but I love the fact that you think obscurity provides you better protection. Especially considering Windows your beloved platform of choice has been the most compromised platform on this planet and it is one of the most closed platforms.

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