Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 24th Oct 2012 23:09 UTC
Windows "The Surface is a nice tablet. The design and aesthetic are pleasing, the feel in the hands, particularly of the kickstand and magnetic cover connection is excellent. But is it worth buying on the day of release?" After these three reviews, I still want a Surface RT. As much as I think Metro - and especially its applications - has a long way to go, I feel like I should reward the fact that Microsoft dares to be different. Too bad Microsoft doesn't want me to buy one.
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RE[4]: I'm desiring one, too
by bornagainenguin on Thu 25th Oct 2012 20:41 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I'm desiring one, too"
bornagainenguin
Member since:
2005-08-07

Alfman posted...

I believe Acer has a Windows 8 tablet for $499 (same price as Surface) which can run traditional x86 applications and where the garden door is left open.

That's only the case for desktop apps, but people are obviously buying a tablet in the first place because they want to use it as a *tablet*. Otherwise they would just get a laptop. Being able to do both with one device is a nice value-added feature, but it doesn't excuse the walled garden on tablet applications.

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I kind of want an ARM device anyways to be able to dual boot android and have one device running both, but we know MS is banning that as well.


I'm the last guy recommending people buy into Windows 8, but that's not entirely accurate.

See: http://www.android-x86.org/

Granted it doesn't work 100% on all hardware yet and you have to futz with grub to dualboot, but it is possible to run both on the ACER unlike on the Surface tablet. Plus should you decide to tire of Windows 8, you could always wipe it and install Linux on it...

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[5]: I'm desiring one, too
by Alfman on Fri 26th Oct 2012 02:44 in reply to "RE[4]: I'm desiring one, too"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

bornagaineguin,

That's a good point, I don't really know much about the x86 port of android. I was actually using "android" as an umbrella term for all android flavors including cyanogenmod, which is what I'd want to install, but never less you are right about android-x86.

Their website didn't answer many of my basic questions: Will it run all off the shelf (ARM) android applications? I certainly don't want to be limited to a handful of apps which have been ported back to x86. It needs to be able to run the ARM packages found in the app store with good performance. However my experience with the android emulation tools used for development under x86 linux has been extremely poor even on a high end machine.

If you've had any actual experience with the android-x86 port, I'd love to hear back!

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

Alfman replied...

Their website didn't answer many of my basic questions: Will it run all off the shelf (ARM) android applications? I certainly don't want to be limited to a handful of apps which have been ported back to x86. It needs to be able to run the ARM packages found in the app store with good performance. However my experience with the android emulation tools used for development under x86 linux has been extremely poor even on a high end machine.

If you've had any actual experience with the android-x86 port, I'd love to hear back!


Well the website needs work. A lot of the activity takes place on the email list and doesn't get shown on the site.

I've used it on my eeepc before and can't remember having any issues with the apps not running--but it's been a while.I remember being more annoyed with the way certain games rotated the screen (Game Dev Story) making game play all but impossible. I'd just bought the game and at that time was addicted beyond belief and all reason.

I recall being able to simply install most apps though. It could be that I sideloaded any apps that were marked incompatible and moved on--like I said, it's been awhile. If you have specific needs for certain apps, the best advice I can give you is to simply download the ISO that best matches your testing hardware, use the live-cd functionality and test out those apps to see if they'll work.

IMHO it's best to throw out any preconcieved notions of emulated performance because Android-x86 is nothing like the emulators you may have used in the past.

--bornagainpenguin

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