Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Oct 2012 23:34 UTC
Games I'm not 100% sure this is actually word-for-word, but alas. "In a presentation at Ubuntu Developer Summit currently going on in Denmark, Drew Bliss from Valve said that Linux is more viable than Windows 8 for gaming. Windows 8 ships with its own app store and it is moving away from an open platform model." I feel like a broken record by now but here we go again: keep an eye on Valve, even if you're not into games. This is the company pushing NVIDIA and AMD to improve their Linux support, with enough clout and name to actually get stuff done. Valve doesn't mess around.
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RE: I'm not a agmer, but
by intangible on Tue 30th Oct 2012 00:04 UTC in reply to "I'm not a agmer, but"
intangible
Member since:
2005-07-06

Pulseaudio is actually a pretty great infrastructure and for those who need super low-latency there is JACK.

It got a bad name because Ubuntu, as they often do, crammed it in too early and pretty heavily misconfigured for a lot of people's hardware at first; Switching from pure Alsa to pulseaudio also didn't seem to go smoothly for people.

I'm somewhat worried they'll do the same with Wayland; it sounds like they're looking to cram it in sooner than common drivers are ready for it... It's a better infrastructure design too, but yeah ;)

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RE[2]: I'm not a agmer, but
by darknexus on Tue 30th Oct 2012 00:49 in reply to "RE: I'm not a agmer, but"
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2008-07-15

[q]Pulseaudio is actually a pretty great infrastructure and for those who need super low-latency there is JACK.
Unfortunately, no amount of great infrastructure can compensate for the fact that the underlying drivers, ALSA, are crap. MOst cards aren't supported fully, drivers have their own latency factors, Dmix (which can come into the picture even when you don't want it to) has bad delays, there is little to no surround sound support in most drivers (so it doesn't matter if Pulseaudio has surround APIs). In addition, jack and pulse conflict unless you set them up just right, and that is not something the average user will know how or wish to do. Neither audio add-on can compensate for the fact that the underlying driver system can't exercise the full potential of your audio hardware. You can build a brick house, but if you build it on a wood foundation, don't be surprised when it collapses.

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RE[3]: I'm not a agmer, but
by intangible on Tue 30th Oct 2012 04:40 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm not a agmer, but"
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2005-07-06

That's the classic catch 22 that maybe the Valve push will help with...

The number of people gaming on Linux is less because the hardware support for audio and video isn't as good because there are few companies that support it because there isn't as much of a market because there aren't very many solid games because the the number of people gaming on Linux is less... repeat.

I wish I could convince myself the Valve push will work :-|

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RE[3]: I'm not a agmer, but
by dmantione on Thu 1st Nov 2012 21:23 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm not a agmer, but"
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2005-07-06

There is a very simple solution to this: A sound card with hardware mixing. Simply insert a low-end Soundblaster Audigy and get rid of PulseAudio, Dmix, and other ugly solutions.

It's not expensive and you'll be stunned by the result. It removes an awesome amount of audio issues and makes Linux audio just work.

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RE[2]: I'm not a agmer, but
by phoenix on Thu 1st Nov 2012 19:23 in reply to "RE: I'm not a agmer, but"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Pulseaudio is actually a pretty great infrastructure


Now, maybe. How many years later?

It got a bad name because Ubuntu, as they often do, crammed it in too early and pretty heavily misconfigured for a lot of people's hardware at first; Switching from pure Alsa to pulseaudio also didn't seem to go smoothly for people.


No, it got a bad name because it "fixed" the wrong layer in the audio stack. ALSA is crap. ALSA drivers are crap. ALSA has so many issues with it, that nobody wants to work on it. Instead, everyone layers more bandaids on top, trying to make up for all the crap in ALSA.

The correct solution is to fix ALSA. Then there would be no need for Pulse.

I'm somewhat worried they'll do the same with Wayland; it sounds like they're looking to cram it in sooner than common drivers are ready for it... It's a better infrastructure design too, but yeah ;)


Wayland uses Gallium3D/KMS for drivers. X.org uses (among others) Gallium3D/KMS. IOW, if the driver works with X.org, it'll work with Wayland. Granted, the only Gallium3D/KMS drivers are the OSS ones ...

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