Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 7th Nov 2012 21:36 UTC
Microsoft Bart Eppenauer, Microsoft's chief patent guy, in an interview with The Verge: "We believe our patent laws have served the country very well." Loosely translated, this reads: "This system that gives me my six-figure income and is a fine anti-competitive tool for my company have served me and my company well, the damage to the industry be damned."
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RE[2]: Comment by strim
by bassbeast on Thu 8th Nov 2012 01:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by strim"
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2007-11-11

How EXACTLY is this idealistic? Remember Vista? Remember how they sank nearly a billion bucks trying to sell it and it bombed HARD?

You CAN affect a large corp like MSFT, if we geeks get together and say "It sucks!" then all those around us don't buy, and that is that. Look at the figures MSFT was "bragging" about with Win 8, they spent 2 BILLION in ads and sold 4 MILLION in licenses, that is $500 for every $40 sale...yeah, great job MSFT, way to wash the stink of Vista down the drain!

So YES Mr Holwerda we CAN make a large corp like MSFT take notice. No we won't get anybody to switch to Linux, because lets face it there is serious issues with that OS that the devs won't fix, but we can at least force a company like MSFT to change course, because no customers equals no money.

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RE[3]: Comment by strim
by thegman on Thu 8th Nov 2012 09:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by strim"
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2007-01-30

As I understand it, Vista sold better than XP, in a given timescale. It didn't bomb in terms of sales, just critically. Of course the PC market was much bigger then when XP was launched, and when you're an effective monopoly, it's easy to sell stuff regardless of whether it's any good or not.

It would be great if geeks could affect how everyday customers make their computer buying decisions, but we can't. It's mostly fashion driven now, and even if you could dissuade a user from getting Windows 8 or whatever, what is he going to get instead? GNU/Linux/GNOME may be fun for you, but it's not much fun for the average user. The Mac is an excellent alternative, but not everyone wants one, or wants to pay what it costs.

The Microsoft monopoly, like it or not, worked. It got rid of any viable competition. If you want people to consider alternatives, those alternatives need to exist, and for the typical user, they barely do. Only the Mac can really get the average user, but that relies on them wanting one, and wanting to pay for one.

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RE[4]: Comment by strim
by Stephen! on Thu 8th Nov 2012 17:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by strim"
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2007-11-24

GNU/Linux/GNOME may be fun for you, but it's not much fun for the average user.


Not even KDE then? The interface isn't drastically different for users than Windows.

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RE[4]: Comment by strim
by shmerl on Thu 8th Nov 2012 18:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by strim"
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2010-06-08

KDE is more fashionable and appealing than Windows. Also, most users aren't driven by fashion contrary to your idea, but by network effects and market penetration. I.e. they use what's preinstalled without second thought - and that's Windows in the vast majority of cases.

Edited 2012-11-08 18:29 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by strim
by skpg on Fri 9th Nov 2012 09:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by strim"
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2012-09-21

As I understand it, Vista sold better than XP, in a given timescale. It didn't bomb in terms of sales, just critically. Of course the PC market was much bigger then when XP was launched, and when you're an effective monopoly, it's easy to sell stuff regardless of whether it's any good or not.

It would be great if geeks could affect how everyday customers make their computer buying decisions, but we can't. It's mostly fashion driven now, and even if you could dissuade a user from getting Windows 8 or whatever, what is he going to get instead? GNU/Linux/GNOME may be fun for you, but it's not much fun for the average user. The Mac is an excellent alternative, but not everyone wants one, or wants to pay what it costs.

The Microsoft monopoly, like it or not, worked. It got rid of any viable competition. If you want people to consider alternatives, those alternatives need to exist, and for the typical user, they barely do. Only the Mac can really get the average user, but that relies on them wanting one, and wanting to pay for one.


The Microsoft monopoly did not work, it only worked for the monopolist. All the crippled desktop computers back in the 1990s and early 2000s, how did that help the average consumer? There are millions of people who are sick and tired of Microsoft windows, and they want an alternative, but every retail store sells only windows, why is that?

Microsoft's power is a combination of the network effect and the unjust copyright system. It's the copyright laws that make Microsoft a monopoly. Microsoft's main revenue is the licensing deals they have with their oem partners. Without copyright law backing them up they wouldn't be able to sell windows as a license, nor wouldn't they be able to prevent anyone from forking their software (windows and office).

Simply put there is too much copyright, and computers and copyright/patents are incompatible. When you put a copyright on software it creates monopolies like Microsoft. It creates the mess that we are in today.

Who gets hurt the most by the Microsoft monopoly? The average consumer, they don't see choices like you see in other industries (automobiles and televisions for example), they don't see any other alternatives, all they see is crippled desktops with windows pre-installed.

Edited 2012-11-09 09:29 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by strim
by bassbeast on Fri 9th Nov 2012 21:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by strim"
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2007-11-11

Sorry friend but the numbers? they be lies, LIES I tell you! Yoy see what they did, to keep Ballmer from looking like a loser, was count EVERY SALE as a Vista sale, even when they were loaded with XP from the factory. They did this by saying it was just "using the downgrade option" instead of what it actually was, people going out of their way NOT to buy it.

And don't underestimate the power of us geeks. Who fixes the machines? Who tells them what works and what don't? the geeks, that's who. hell i had the nurse at my checkup the other day going "You're the tech guy, right? Listen I need a new laptop and my girls are wanting tech for Xmas and I need some advice" and I of course warned her away from Win 8 and told her where to get a nice Win 7 laptop.

As for Linux...sigh, until Torvalds accepts reality, which is a couple of dozen devs just can't provide any kind of quality control on tens of thousands of drivers with Linus and friends constantly futzing with the internals Linux is simply not fit for purpose on the desktop. Joe and Sally Average will NOT do forum hunts, mess with CLI fixes, or put up with drivers breaking every time they have to do the upgrade tango, it just won't be tolerated. like it or not you can take an XP or Vista RTM, install all the drivers, and those drivers will STILL WORK no matter how many patches and service packs are applied. tying the drivers to the kernel was stupid back in the day and its insanity now, there is no way the devs can keep up, the math simply doesn't work.

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