Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 8th Nov 2012 02:24 UTC
Windows Microsoft is discontinuing Windows Live Messenger in 1st quarter 2013, forcing users to switch to Skype. Most would want to switch to Skype anyway with its more advanced capabilities, and the switch makes sense to Microsoft, since they purchased Skype for $8.5 billion last year. However, the move may be seen as typical Redmondian high-handedness by those using Messenger with dial-up. Technically Skype works with dial-up but in practice most agree you really need broadband for decent use. Will everyone view Messenger as replaceable by Skype?
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I'm confused here.
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 8th Nov 2012 06:18 UTC
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2006-12-05

So does this mean that from whenever this happens on, third-party IM clients like Pidgin will no longer work? As well as the current Xbox 360 as it is now (unless there is an update), etc.?

That's just nice... right after I had planned to ditch the Yahoo! Messenger service once and for all (I never use it anyway, but I was intending to switch everything over to MSN Messenger/Google Talk).

Well, if that's the case, looks like my plan got thrown out the window. Thanks Microsoft... just when I decide to get serious about giving one of your services a shot!

Anyway... instant messaging is still important to me. It can be more "private" than a real talk over the phone or VoIP (when other people are around), and it is universally supported among all forms of computers as long as a physical keyboard or some other sort of text input (on-screen keyboard, etc.) is available, and even usable as an alternative to the ridiculously overpriced text messaging services provided on cell phones. Not to mention, the logging capabilities of many instant messaging clients is a pretty cool feature. Not all computers (I'm talking desktops--I've never bought/owned a laptop) come with fancy built-in crap like microphones and webcams, or even any at all.

That said... when I'm at home on my computer, I save my cell phone minutes by just using Google Voice. Broke out an old stock mic that came with an old Gateway/Gateway 2000 computer back in the late 90s. I have a Skype account, but I never really used it and I don't know if I ever will. Google Voice's pricing this year (or lack of it) and endless features extending far beyond just VoIP won me over.

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RE: I'm confused here.
by darknexus on Thu 8th Nov 2012 06:35 in reply to "I'm confused here."
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2008-07-15

That's just nice... right after I had planned to ditch the Yahoo! Messenger service once and for all (I never use it anyway, but I was intending to switch everything over to MSN Messenger/Google Talk).

Well, if that's the case, looks like my plan got thrown out the window.


Not really, since Google Talk won't be in the least affected by this. I'd ditched MSN/WLM messenger a while back anyway, since the service is full of spam bots much like what AIM has become. Facebook and Google Talk are where most people are going these days when it comes to text chatting. Skype is still really popular for VOIP though.

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RE[2]: I'm confused here.
by shmerl on Thu 8th Nov 2012 06:39 in reply to "RE: I'm confused here."
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2010-06-08

Problem with Facebook's XMPP server is the lack of federation. You can't communicate with users of other XMPP servers if you use Facebook's one. However Google Talk XMPP server is federated. You can communicate with users of any other federated XMPP server (like jabber.org or what not) if you use Google's server.

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RE[2]: I'm confused here.
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 8th Nov 2012 11:20 in reply to "RE: I'm confused here."
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2006-12-05

Not really, since Google Talk won't be in the least affected by this. I'd ditched MSN/WLM messenger a while back anyway, since the service is full of spam bots much like what AIM has become. Facebook and Google Talk are where most people are going these days when it comes to text chatting. Skype is still really popular for VOIP though.

I really do want to make Google Talk my main instant messaging service. Unfortunately, I can't do that just yet because in my experience... no one that matters (to me) is moving to it. Your experience, the stats you're going by, or whatever it is that you made that claim from--it just doesn't reflect on what I'm seeing. Gmail, yeah, almost everyone I know probably has a Gmail/Google account... but I'd be surprised if many of them even know about Google Talk yet or have tried it.

Only one of my friends has actually on occasion used Google's service to get in contact with me, but he seems to prefer Yahoo! messenger. Another refuses to leave Yahoo! completely (no idea why--he uses both their e-mail and messenger services) and claims that he hates Google for some reason. My mom has a Google account and knows how and has used it, and she's the only who used it exclusively (but hasn't for a while).

So I need a backup, and because my friends are pretty much all gamers and probably already chat with the MSN protocol on the Xbox 360 anyway, I figured the MSN messenger service would be the perfect choice. Add to that the ability to talk to people who are using Yahoo Messenger without even having a Yahoo account, and the plan seemed infallible. Then add Outlook.com to the mix (which I was really impressed by), and I was sold on Microsoft's service being used as my "transitioning" or secondary instant messaging service. That is... until Microsoft decided to do something like this.

My plan was something like this: Phase out Yahoo! messenger, preferably having people contact me at one of my Microsoft account addresses. Talk to Yahoo users who are too stubborn to change directly through MSN messenger, while they continue to use the Yahoo! service. In the longer term, prefer that people contact me with Google Talk, but still allow the option of contacting me through MSN; by this time, my Yahoo! account would have been long since ditched. I thought it through... and it seemed just about perfect. :/

Again... thanks a lot, Microsoft. It seems like for every little good thing they do, they take multiple, bigger steps back. By the way... I set my instant messaging client to only allow messages from people on my list, so the whole spam bot thing is no problem to me, and hasn't been for years--since I last used the official Yahoo! client itself, way back in the early- to mid-2000s. As for Facebook... well, I won't even go there. I'll just say that I despise that wretched corporation, and I will never create an account on their site.

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