Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 8th Nov 2012 20:54 UTC, submitted by Elv13
Gnome "Theme development is a tedious and difficult task, and for the GTK devs to be so careless in breaking their API at every turn disrespects the many hours people put into making themes for it. [...] I was given to believe that this breakage stems from a Microsoft-like climate of preventing users from customizing their systems, and deliberately breaking the work of others so that your 'brand' is the best. Anytime I hear the word 'brand' being used in Linux, I know something valuable is being poisoned." I find the tone of this one a bit too harsh and overly negative at times, but his point still stands.
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by ssokolow on Fri 9th Nov 2012 02:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
ssokolow
Member since:
2010-01-21

Because because because, GNOME devs also have becauses you know.


Yes, but opinions don't hold equal weight merely because they are equally fervent.

By welcoming GTK+'s rise to popularity as a general toolkit used by many different desktops, the developers also implicitly accepted responsibility to manage GTK+'s development wisely.

As a user, my only responsibilities are to be polite, to avoid acting entitled, to report bugs, and to choose a desktop where the developers views on good UI design are not diametrically opposed to mine.

I have done all of those. I am not a GNOME user and my issue isn't with GNOME. It's with the GNOME devs abusing the power over other desktops (like LXDE) that maintainership of GTK+ grants based on those other desktops' views of their formerly responsible behaviour.

Edited 2012-11-09 02:37 UTC

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by david_thomson on Fri 9th Nov 2012 03:07 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
david_thomson Member since:
2012-07-29

Easy solution to this: Some developers from XFCE and/or LXDE contribute some man power to maintaining GTK?

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by segedunum on Fri 9th Nov 2012 13:49 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Easy solution to this: Some developers from XFCE and/or LXDE contribute some man power to maintaining GTK?

No because I think everyone outside of the Gnome/GTK projects now knows not to deal with Gnome/GTK development. Anyone who has tried in the past has been met with a campaign of misdirection and misinformation as well as being marginalised via Gnome/GTK devs going 'radio silent'.

You simply cannot work with them.

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by Hiev on Fri 9th Nov 2012 03:10 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Dude, XFCE and whoever uses GTK is free to fork it or use another toolkit, so, what's ur point?

BTW, I haven't hear any one from the XFCE team complaining, you complaine more than them.

Edited 2012-11-09 03:11 UTC

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by ssokolow on Fri 9th Nov 2012 04:39 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

Dude, XFCE and whoever uses GTK is free to fork it or use another toolkit, so, what's ur point?

BTW, I haven't hear any one from the XFCE team complaining, you complaine more than them.


First, there's always selection bias to consider. Just because you didn't see it doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen.

Second, I'm just clarifying the parts of my viewpoint which match those from the post.

Had you not begun your original comment with "Dear whiners:", I probably wouldn't have felt strongly enough about it to have replied.

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by segedunum on Fri 9th Nov 2012 13:45 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Dude, XFCE and whoever uses GTK is free to fork it or use another toolkit, so, what's ur point?

The point is that you don't want to duplicate manpower simply because developers are douchebags and don't understand what the meaning of a point release is. The Gnome and GTK devs are worse than Ulrich Drepper. However, in that case you simply have to make a decision as to when it's got beyond the joke and you fork or move to something else. That will be coming.

I love it when people write stuff like 'they are free to fork it' as if they are writing that from a position of strength. In Gnome's case they are simply bleeding into total irrelevance through lack of manpower.

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