Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 9th Nov 2012 22:11 UTC
Linux "The result of almost a year of development by NVIDIA, Valve and other game developers, the new GeForce R310 drivers are designed to give GeForce customers the best possible Linux-based PC gaming experience - and showcase the enormous potential of the world's biggest open-source operating system." Like I said: something is happening here. No, not all problems will be solved overnight - but something is happening here, and you have to start somewhere. The fact that several gaming companies and NVIDIA are working together on this is a very clear sign that commitments have been made.
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RE: Nice
by RshPL on Fri 9th Nov 2012 23:45 UTC in reply to "Nice"
RshPL
Member since:
2009-03-13

Actually they did make an effort but the kernel devs apparently are too stubborn on the licensing issues so I guess there are huge limits on what the NVIDIA drivers can do. I am referring to the case of the devs refusing to relicense the DMA-BUF APIs - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIwNDI

Eh ... it is such a pity. The best GPU will not work properly because of such stubborness. Don't get me wrong, they have full right to refuse to relicense this API, but it is such a bummer!

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RE[2]: Nice
by diegoviola on Sat 10th Nov 2012 00:53 in reply to "RE: Nice"
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

Nvidia could also stop being morons and they could contribute to nouveau instead.

Edited 2012-11-10 00:54 UTC

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RE[3]: Nice
by WereCatf on Sat 10th Nov 2012 01:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Nice"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Nvidia could also stop being morons and they could contribute to nouveau instead.


Or you could stop being ignorant and jump down from the high horse. We do not know the details of the contracts and obligations NVIDIA operates under and how many NDAs they themselves are bound by, but there definitely are atleast a handful of those and therefore it would be downright illegal for NVIDIA to do that. At most they could hire some independent developer to work on Nouveau, someone who has no access to NVIDIA's internal docs, but how much would that benefit anyone?

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RE[2]: Nice
by tidux on Sat 10th Nov 2012 14:12 in reply to "RE: Nice"
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2011-08-13

Oh for fuck's sake. It's not "being stubborn," it's "protecting the integrity of the kernel's license." As for NVIDIA, if they don't have the rights to make proper open drivers for their own goddamn hardware, that's their fault. Don't blame the kernel devs for this one.

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RE[3]: Nice
by Gusar on Sat 10th Nov 2012 14:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Nice"
Gusar Member since:
2010-07-16

"Protecting the integrity" by allowing some closed blobs to use dma-buf but not nvidia? Yes, all the SoC drivers that use dma-buf are closed. Sure they have a GPL component in the kernel, which is how they're allowed to use dma-buf, but that component won't do you much without the userspace blobs.

So there's no "protecting integrity" or "making a moral stance" or anything by keeping Nvidia out. It's that some vendors have managed to isolate just enough of their driver into a GPL component, while Nvidia can't because of how their driver is put together.

Also, the first two versions of dma-buf did not have those symbols exported as gpl-only: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2012-October/029107...

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RE[2]: Nice
by JAlexoid on Tue 13th Nov 2012 10:11 in reply to "RE: Nice"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

apparently are too stubborn on the licensing issues

You do know the thing that is called copyright, don't you? Try to get an agreement from all semi-popular GPL licensed project contributors and you might understand the issue...
nVidia can be a good FOSS citizen and move more stuff into the userland libraries.

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