Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 8th Nov 2012 20:12 UTC
Editorial In the United States, state and local authorities are in charge of voting and the country uses more than a half dozen different voting technologies. As a result, the country can't guarantee that it accurately counts national votes in a timely fashion. This article discusses the problem and potential solutions to the U.S. voting dilemma.
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RE[2]: France
by panzi on Sat 10th Nov 2012 02:17 UTC in reply to "RE: France"
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So one person can manipulate 10 votes. Using computers one person writing a few lines of code can manipulate millions of votes that are statistically distributed in a way that the fraud is not detectable (if the fraud software is not found - because it rewrites itself after the election and removes the fraud algorithms).

Also you're being watched putting the envelope into the box, so the election officials will notice this. Multiple votes in one envelope are of course discarded. And there should be independent people/representatives of each candidate watching the whole process. If the box is empty at the beginning and the votes are counted correctly afterwards, there is no way to manipulate the election (unless you teleport envelopes into the box - but there is no such technology).

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RE[3]: France
by ricegf on Sat 10th Nov 2012 03:04 in reply to "RE[2]: France"
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You seem to be switching out the brilliant poll watchers (in the one envelope per vote per line case) with really careless poll watchers (in the case where a voter hacks into the voting machine to add a few million votes).

But even in the latter case, the fraud would be easy to detect, since each vote is represented by a physical scanned ballot that is (of course) kept by the machine, so one manual recount - or just comparing the number of ballots to number of votes in the machine - and the game is up.

Also, rewriting voting machine flash memory requires a physical jumper, which trojan software obviously can't install to hide its tracks.

And of course results of the one envelope per vote per line are almost certainly reported to the Secretary of State via electronic means, which is the logical place to insert a man-in-the-middle type attack to manipulate an election, regardless of the technology used by the voting booth.

Or just skip the voting booth altogether, as Lessadolla Sowers rather famously did.

The bottom line is that asking voters to wait in 37 lines, sorting through cards in each to find their candidate's to put in the envelope while being watched like a hawk by zealous poll watchers, is simply impractical in any urban area in the USA. And if they did, it's leaves just as many means (or more, actually) than an optical ballot scanner.

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