Linked by pepa on Fri 9th Nov 2012 23:18 UTC
Gnome "I'm writing to inform you that the release team discussed Drop or Fix Fallback Mode yesterday. We've come to the conclusion that we can't maintain fallback mode in reasonable quality, and are better off dropping it." Gnome-fallback has been my refuge, as I find both Unity and Gnome 3's shell unusable. Yes, we have been warned this would happen. I thought the cost of maintaining gnome-panel would be so low that it might never need to happen. But as it appears, it is deemed necessary. As for me, I'm bound for something Qt, as I am very angry at Gnome for abandoning its 'classic' users.
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RE[4]: XFCE
by ndrw on Sat 10th Nov 2012 17:48 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: XFCE"
ndrw
Member since:
2009-06-30

Thanks, that's helpful. Chances are some of your issues will be (or have already been) addressed.

- Manual icon positioning on desktop seems to work fine here. Did you encounter any bugs or were you simply using an older version of Xfce?

- Xfce doesn't come with a Gnome clock and it does some things differently (more often than not, that's good). Weather reports are in a Weather plugin. A worldclock indeed is missing (thank you for the suggestion), but you can add several Orage clocks each set to a different time zone - I'm using this method myself.

- Volume control (a mixer plugin) has recently been improved but I still prefer Xubuntu's sound indicator. Not sure what you mean by "over 100%" output volume (is it some sort of a workaround for a bug elsewhere?)

Of course, there will always be Gnome2 or Ubuntu applets/indicators which are not in Xfce and often there is no reason to duplicate the effort. For these applets you can use an XfApplet plugin (works with Mate's applets) or an Indicator plugin (currently works with Gtk2 indicators).

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RE[5]: XFCE
by pepa on Sat 10th Nov 2012 18:46 in reply to "RE[4]: XFCE"
pepa Member since:
2005-07-08

Thanks for your helpful suggestions.

1. Are you suggesting that I can now shift icons a few pixels to the right in the latest XFCE??

2. The Gnome2 clock applet was just really great, I also loved the little map that came with it. When I needed to see the time in another timezone, it was always just a click away.

3. Have you ever wondered why you can't increase the volume beyond some point? Of course you can, if software wouldn't limit you.

The main reason XFCE won't be my first stop is it's dependence/integration of Gnome/GTK stuff.

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RE[6]: XFCE
by zima on Sun 11th Nov 2012 06:17 in reply to "RE[5]: XFCE"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

3. Have you ever wondered why you can't increase the volume beyond some point? Of course you can, if software wouldn't limit you.

You can't really, hardware has clear limits (plus it working at/near them often isn't the most optimal situation, can introduce greater distortions).

Of course, there are some tricks - with volume control going "to 11" it's more than likely at the cost of reducing dynamic range, introducing sound compression (NOT the same as psychoacoustic sound compression, like mp3! Check Wiki article about "Loudness War" to get an idea - compressing the dynamic range features there prominently). It perceptibly increases loudness, even while not going beyond the maximum threshold of audio output levels.

In short, it alters the sound somewhat, happens at the cost of quality.

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