Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 5th Nov 2012 23:40 UTC
Apple Another Apple-to-switch-Macs-to-ARM post. "Apple engineers have grown confident that the chip designs used for its mobile devices will one day be powerful enough to run its desktops and laptops, said three people with knowledge of the work, who asked to remain anonymous because the plans are confidential. Apple began using Intel chips for Macs in 2005." No idea when Apple will make the switch, but they will do it. I'm thinking 5-10 year timeframe.
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zima
Member since:
2005-07-06

Granted, such mildly annoying outlooks on things go all ways.

But you know, there's probably something about fans of formerly-barely-surviving-and-a-bad-deal-for-a-decade-but-most-valued- company-now Apple, those of them who live in places where Apple always had marginal market share, hardly any presence - they were and/or got really crazy defensive ...or at least, stand out more. Which in turn makes it easier to point at them as "brainwashed" and maintain that perception.

I mean, I have an iPod (getting one here was fairly unusual; I got it largely for ~technical reasons, believe it or not: it was, back then, the most decent and least expensive option supporting Last.fm scrobbling), and I sort of recommended Apple products for quite a while - but for the last ~2 years I really don't, because I don't want to be associated with that sub-group of fans.

There's this Atari-logo guy here, kovacm - looking at his name, he's probably from Czech Republic (so, one of places with historically marginal Apple presence); IIRC, you suggested once that his posts might be largely the result of EN as a 2nd language - but EN is also non-native for you and me. With him it goes further than that... look at his response to my post about Project Star Trek in http://www.osnews.com/comments/26322 - plus, generally, a bit juvenile way of talking, with the "LOL, !!!, and smiley overload"


And uhm, well, I don't reply right now just before the deadline, for example :p (hm, and WRT Facebook - I guess I would have to start really using it; right now, I average maybe one visit per month - so much so that I see ads on random websites to join FB - and maybe I don't want to change that)

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Kovacm is cool and his English isn't very good, but far from bad. I judge my English to be mediocre, but acceptable and readable for most people (I hope). If one's English isn't very good and people don't one's opinion or person they tend to be far more hostile. Kovacm just doesn't have your level of English, like I'm sure a lot of people don't and even more don't speak it at all.

I don't mind deciphering what people write.

If you don't like Apple/Steve you tend not to like people who either do like them or don't feel the same way as you do.

Very often we've had these anti-Apple folks vs a few pro-Apple characters. Now I might be a bit biased, but the pro-Apple ones are less aggressive, don't tend to swear, offer motivated arguments and are often right.

The anti-Apple crowd feature a number of people who produce these one-liners, like "that's it, I'm never going to buy Apple" or "Steve must rot in hell". If we disregard them what leaves us is a number of people who are mostly against Apple because they prefer something else, making them sounds a bit jealous of Apple success.

I can understand your feeling of not wanting to be associated with a certain group. Personally I had the same thing when I was a full-time Linux user. Back then it was really bad. They made claims about Windows/Microsoft that was far beyond wrong and claims regarding Linux that were very optimistic at best.

We all know the year of the Linux desktop for example. Every tiny tweak or event would cause Linux desktop world domination. Every smart open source product was attributed to "Linux", but when bugs or problems were mentioned Linux turned in to "just a kernel" and something else was to blame. This made it easy for me to switch to the Mac.

I think I was a Linux user from 1998 to 2005 en from 2005 to now an Apple user, so both 7 years. I think there's a Biblical quote regarding this.

Before 1998 I was an Amiga user who started using Windows more and more.

I'd rate Commodore and Apple users to be the most pleasant people to be around.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't think your posts (that I've read) ever needed deciphering; I hope mine are mostly like that, too.

And "cool" @kovacm ...I don't know, it goes further, it's more than weak EN, it's this consistent... attitude - like he didn't notice yet that platform wars* days are over, still lives in that mindset.
Or maybe drunkenness... (check out lower regions of the discussion I linked previously; and again about his reply to my post that mentions Project Star Trek - how bad your EN must be to argue no possibility of MacOS Classic x86, even when that's the thing I linked to?; also, throwing around "great past quotations" seemingly without trying to connect the dots, analyse how it turned out in the 3+ decades since: http://www.osnews.com/thread?522309 )


But valid points about different kinds of fans or anti-fans. Though I'll also add to it a possibility of hiding behind outward politeness, but trying to drill the same tired, inaccurate "facts" no matter how many times they are successfully refuted. Maybe it just doesn't register - after all, that's one of the ways human minds deal with cognitive dissonance.

Now that I think about it, there might be one reliable ~definition: FANBOYS ARE MONO-THEMATIC (for example: participating in discussions only about "their" brand or its biggest competitor, and virtually always praising the former and finding some faults in the latter)


But in the end, it's all just irrelevant bickering on the internet which will be lost in time... (same for our conversations...)



*BTW the old days - remember, we often tend to see them through rose-tinted glasses. ;)
Also there was much less flamewars because... most people didn't have internet access ;)

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