Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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Just how bad it has become? What?
by WereCatf on Sun 11th Nov 2012 16:35 UTC
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

None of the things the author here is complaining about are any new, the pre-installed crap and all have been there already since Windows '95 - days. It isn't something has just happened recently, yet the author acts like he's totally surprised. Secondly, complaining about the Smartscreen filter is, well, somewhat short-sighted: it doesn't exist to protect experienced users from themselves, it exists to protect the exact opposite kind of users. Experienced users are expected to take the few extra steps needed to disable it. Personally I find the current approach better than not having such, even if it might annoy us geeks.

And well, if he insists on installing Adobe Reader or QuickTime then it's all his own fault; there's plenty of good, free alternatives to both. These things have been pushing for such crap for YEARS now, so there's no good reason to act surprised all of a sudden.

Now, that said I agree in general: there are lots of software packages that try to bundle this or that with them, with some packages even going so far as to installing spying background tasks without ever mentioning it to the user at all. IMHO there should be some sort of a law against such, the applications should offer the chance for user to install such bundles, but that would need to be a conscious decision on the user's part instead of the default action in the installer.

Similarly, one thing I already proposed years ago is that PC-manufacturers should stop pre-installing all that stuff and instead on the first boot show the user a list of various current deals -- this would allow the manufacturer to keep their deals up-to-date at all times, and it would allow the users to easily skip all of them or only install the interesting ones. In general it would be a win-win.

EDIT:

Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.


Thom, you know that's a silly, ignorant tangent. Microsoft is actually pushing for OEMs to NOT pre-install all this stuff. Blaming Microsoft for all this crap is disingenious and shows a clear, negative bias.

Edited 2012-11-11 16:37 UTC

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fadingdust Member since:
2009-11-05

Yeah, *sounds* like the question of "stock" Android vs. Sense all over again; however there are differences.. it's more like AT&T bloatware.

But either way, we must wonder what a pure (Surface?) MS product would be.

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Yehppael Member since:
2012-08-01

None of the things the author here is complaining about are any new, the pre-installed crap and all have been there already since Windows '95 - days. It isn't something has just happened recently, yet the author acts like he's totally surprised.


Actually, there are a few slight differences, which I think is why so many people are raising a fuss.

First of all, the ads coming with those bundles were usually for products of the same firm, or associates.

Second, they were localized incidents, if you don't like some bundle, you can just uninstall it and forget about it, now, it's a whole system integrated in the OS.

It's not going away, and everyone who ever watched TV or listened radio in their lives, know this is just the beginning.

For me, the computer and software are just tools, I need them to work, work right and with no headaches. This ... is like having a hammer that sings "buy head'n'shoulders" (or viagra depending on your searches ;) ) everytime you hit a nail, irritating as hell, but functional.

People who tend to anthropomorphize their computer will feel betrayed hahaha

Edited 2012-11-11 19:02 UTC

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

Second, they were localized incidents, if you don't like some bundle, you can just uninstall it and forget about it, now, it's a whole system integrated in the OS


Remove....the....app.

There, no advertising in the OS.

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fran Member since:
2010-08-06

+1
Why this blog post made it here dunno.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

+1
Why this blog post made it here dunno.


The reason why such blog pots are linked here is simple - because it is to re-enforce Thom's own bias. Don't get me wrong, we all have bias but it would be nice for said individual to evenly link to different articles rather than the same "Windows bad, Mac good unless it is iOS which makes Apple evil".

Before someone says, "well, what have you done to improve the situation" - I wrote a two part review of moving from my iMac/MacBook Pro to ThinkPad/ThinkCentre with Windows 8 Pro 64bit - the link was submitted to Thom via the 'Submit News' almost 2 days ago and still no show. I guess one can only conclude that stirring up shit is a lot more interesting than linking to articles that contain more content than the afore mentioned article as noted in the link Thom provided.

Edited 2012-11-12 01:51 UTC

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hoak Member since:
2007-12-17

Nita nails it again...and I'm no apologist for Microsoft, its products or the kinds of 'relationships' its cultured with its partners and OEMs.

But this happens to the best of Writers; their tired, something annoys them, there's a ridiculous 'personal enrichment experience' in getting from A to B and it ends up being a story.

This story however as the WereCatf points out not only isn't new it's business as usual... More then anything I'm surprise that Thom seems surprised.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

This story however as the WereCatf points out not only isn't new it's business as usual... More then anything I'm surprise that Thom seems surprised.


Well, to be precise, the blog post wasn't written by Thom Holwerda. Thom only latched onto it to get a few cheap shots at Microsoft specifically, whereas the blog post itself is talking about a much broader thing.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

This story however as the WereCatf points out not only isn't new it's business as usual... More then anything I'm surprise that Thom seems surprised.


Right. Because if something stupid goes on long enough, we should just bend over, smile, and ask for more once it's done.

Edited 2012-11-12 08:58 UTC

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