Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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RE: Comment by marcp
by ze_jerkface on Sun 11th Nov 2012 20:06 UTC in reply to "Comment by marcp"
ze_jerkface
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2012-06-22

First of all - this is not true. In the beginning there was only open and free [of charge] software, available for huge computers.


That's not true, IBM was selling proprietary software from the beginning. Please don't try to push that GPL revisionist history here.

It is not normal, it destroys your freedoms, privacy and it makes your life harder and less personal.


Disregarding the GPL newspeak definition of "freedom" there is a major upside to crapware which is that is lowers the entry price of computers. Have OEMs gone to far? Yes but I'm fine with non-invasive crapware like installed programs that don't run in the background.

The easiest possible solution is just to drop commercial software and switch to something else, but again: is it normal to be forced to do so?


That is a unrealistic solution that doesn't take into account the billions of dollars worth of proprietary software for which there is no free alternative.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Sun 11th Nov 2012 22:47 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
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2007-11-23

GPL? come on ... have you ever heard of BSD? do you even know the history of IT?

PDPs used by the academics was there BEFORE personal computing era. I'm talking about this code being shared freely between various academic places. Don't tell me you didn't know that. Do you really think it's all about money? do you think it was all pushed there only for money? read about Thompson and Ritchie. You'll see it was actually against mainstream first. It was for fun, joy, out of curiosity, to build something news, not for money at all. It is called research. Then it's eventually pushed to the folks from various corporations. At least that's how it worked then. Now it may be all about money, unfortunately. That's probobly why we have so much crap out there.

@werecatf - you see, that was not being said literally, but it's the meaning you can read out of people's comments. "Get over it, it's normal, accept it, you don't have any choice anyway. Shut up and stop whining".

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by ze_jerkface on Mon 12th Nov 2012 00:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

GPL? come on ... have you ever heard of BSD? do you even know the history of IT?


BSD doesn't try to redefine the word freedom. They state what you are free to do with the license and that is the end of it. It's the GPL that capitalizes and redefines freedom in a creepy newspeak fashion.

PDPs used by the academics was there BEFORE personal computing era.


Researchers share and hide their work depending on the situation, don't act like academia is one big hippie share fest.

I'm talking about this code being shared freely between various academic places.


No you tried perpetrating a common GPL myth that the software world was some open source utopia before the ebil proprietary companies showed up.

Do you really think it's all about money? do you think it was all pushed there only for money? read about Thompson and Ritchie.


Money and proprietary software are not mutually exclusive. Anyways Thomson and Ritchie worked for Bell labs which was funded by AT&T. It wasn't an open source project so I'm not sure where you are going with this.

I think you might have bought into a few myths from the the cult of the GPL. That's understandable given how widely accepted they are on places like Slashdot.

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